Back In 1968, The Restaurant Here At Lolo Hot Springs, Must Have Been Where Chris & The ZMM Narrator Stopped For Their Evening Dinner. …. And The /\Above/\ Panorama Photo Shows Approximately What The ZMM Narrator & Chris Would Have Seen.
…Saturday, July 20, 2024: …… Leaving Lolo Creek Campground In Western MT, And After Traveling US-12 For 10 Miles, We Are Surprised To Suddenly See, The-Lolo Hot Springs Resort & Restaurant.
…David & Henry Were Hoping To Have Breakfast Here, But No Luck Due To A Electrical Power Failure. The Employees Used This Otherwise Down-Time, For A Staff Meeting, Held On Their Front Deck, As You Can See.


The ZMM Narrator says =>
… “At Lolo Pass. we see a restaurant, and pull up in front of it beside an old Harley high-miler. It has a homemade pannier on the back and thirty-six thousand on the odometer. A real cross-country man.
.. .. Inside we fill up on pizza and milk, and when finished leave right away. There’s not much sunlight left, and a search for a campsite after dark is difficult and unpleasant.“

Looking At The Above Panorama Photo Of The Lolo Hot Springs Resort, You See =>
..A) The Huge And Grand Modern Lodge Is At Left.
..B) The Building Of Above A) Has The Boulder Room Restaurant. ….
..C) Next To The Right, With Green Roofed Porch, Is A General Store.
..D) To Right Of Above C), Is The Hot Springs Swimming Pool Service Building.
..E) Next To The Right, The Visitor would see A Wire Fence Around The Hot Springs Swimming Pool.

NOTE1: About a mile NW of the Swimming Pool, Is The Original Historical Location Of The Hot Springs, Coming Out Of A Granite Boulder Covered Ridge. But the spring itself, can not be seen, because, to keep out fallen leaves, the Original Hot Springs, are now covered by concrete and not visible.

NOTE Way back in history, these Hot Springs were seen & used & surely enjoyed by Native Americans and Lewis & Clark, and Subsequent Generations.

Lolo Hot Springs Resort Is At 38500 Lolo Creek Road, Lolo, MT. GPS = 46.72452664079679, -114.53376974486827
…This Is About 25 Miles West Of The Small Town of Lolo, MT...AND .About 7 Miles Before The Top Of Lolo Pass, Where Is The MT-ID Border.
….Here is a nice Lodge and Restaurant at Lolo Hot Springs, where all things considered, this almost certainly must have been the ZMM Restaurant, that the ZMM Narrators says is => “at Lolo Pass”

The Lolo Hot Springs Resort's Own WebSite Says =>
….The Boulder Room Restaurant and Bar is located at Lolo Hot Springs Resort. The resort is on 125 acres of private property in the middle of the Lolo National Forest, 37 miles southwest of Missoula on Highway 12 West. A saloon with live entertainment, a restaurant, a gallery, and natural mineral hot springs pools are all available at the resort.
…. Dining is also available at the coffee shop/café.
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For A Satellite View Of This Area Of Western Montana. Click Here. And, AFTER This Satellite View Comes Up, You Will See Missoula, MT Upper Center, Then Below Is Small Town Of Lolo, MT, Then You Can Follow US-12 West To Lolo Creek Campground. And Further West, Lolo Hot Springs, At The Red Pinpoint.

Saturday, July 20, 2024, Contunued: … The ZMM Narrator’s Evening Meal Restaurant Here, Is Actually Part Of A Tourist Resort, An Idea Which Always Seems To Happen At Most Naturally Occurring Hot Mineral Springs.
…The /\Above/\ Shows The Dirt Driveway Henry Gurr Walked Up To Take The Next Panorama Photo.
…AND The Big Boulders Show What It Looks Like Where The Lolo Hot Springs, Emerge From The Mountainside.

….But the ZMM Narrator gives no information about Lolo Hot Springs, or even its name! … Is this because of its tourist nature? And similar to other tourist places, we see again the reason, we are not given the location or any other facts about the Hot Springs, or even the Restaurant.
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…A) To See 104 Photos Of Lolo Hot Springs Resort, Click Here. And, AFTER This Yelp Comes Up, You will see their Buildings, Inside, & Out, including The Hot Springs Swimming Pool. Both Summer & Winter photos are shown. Click Here.
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…B) Click Here, To See Over 40 REALLY GOOD & LARGE Photos Of Lolo Hot Springs Resort. You will see their Buildings, Inside, & Out, including The Hot Springs Swimming Pool. Both Summer & Winter photos are shown.

…C) …The Google Street View, November 2015 Version, Seen /\Above/\, Also Shows Approximately What The ZMM Narrator & Chris Would Have Seen. See Blue Link Below.

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… This Google Street View (GSV) Is Perhaps Better Than A 360 Degree Full Circle Panorama, Since It Can In Addition, Look Farther Up AND Down, Plus Full Circle Panorama, Plus GSV Offers The Ability To Zoom And Magnify, And See Better Distant Details!! RIGHT CLICK HERE AND SELECT “NEW TAB.

Saturday, July 20, 2024: … A Panorama View Taken On The Hillside Above Lolo Hot Springs Resort Parking Lot.
…Mid Panorama You Can See Their Swimming Pool, And Then You See The Dirt Road I Walked To Get To This Camera Point.
…This Is The Continuation Of The Dirt Driveway Henry Gurr Walked Up, Shown In Previous Photo.
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NOTE: Whereas Robert Pirsig & Chris ended their 1968 13th Day Of Travel; several miles into Idaho AFTER :Lolo Pass,
…David Matos & Henry Gurr ended their 13th Day Of Travel at Lolo Creek Campground; some 17.5 miles BEFORE :Lolo Pass, which was BEFORE the Idaho border.
…This is only case where David & Henry’s travel, fails to match that of Pirsig in 1968.
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Saturday, July 20, 2024: … On My Walk Back To The Lolo Hot Springs Resort Parking Lot, I Discovered This Lewis & Clark Trail Marker, Which Must Mean They Came This Way, Likely After Being AT Where The Hot Water Came Out Of Rocks!

The WebSite ... Lewis-Clarck.org …. Reports The Following =>
…”These Springs are very beautiful to See, and we think them to be as good to bathe in &c. as any other ever yet found in the United States,” avowed Private Joe Whitehouse. The water was “considerable above blood heat.” In fact, it “nearly boiled where it Issued out of the rocks.” Clark’s reaction was quick. “I put my finger in the water, at first could not bare it in a Second.” [13 September 1805]
…Clark noted that “as Several roads led from these Springs in different derections,” their Lemhi Shoshone guide, Toby, took a wrong turn and led them three miles out of their way over an “intolerable” road. The maze of roads seen in this photo, mostly created for log-hauling trucks, are now used by recreationists who visit the springs for hiking, mountain-biking, horseback riding, and for cross-country skiing in winter. Among them is what remains of the luge run built here in 1965—reportedly the first in North America.
…The company paused here for only a few minutes on their way west, but on their return spent the whole night of 29 June 1806, which provided Lewis with sufficient time to describe the place and the experience.
…These warm springs are situated at the base of a hill of no considerable hight on the N side and near the bank of travellers rest creek which at that place is about 10 yards wide. these spring issue from the bottoms and through the interstices of a gray freestone rock, the rock rises in iregular masy clifts in a circular range arround the springs on their lower side. immediately above the springs on the creek there is a handsome little quamas plain of about 10 acres. the prinsipal spring is about the temperature of the warmest baths used at the hot springs in Virginia.
In this bath which had been prepared by the Indians by stoping the run with stone and gravel, I bathed and remained in 19 minutes, it was with dificulty I could remain thus long and it caused a profuse sweat two other bold springs adjacent to this are much warmer, their heat being so great as to make the hand of a person smart extreemly when immerced. I think the temperature of these springs about the same as the hotest of the hot springs in Virginia.
…Both the men and indians amused themselves with the use of a bath this evening. I observed that the indians after remaining in the hot bath as long as they could bear it ran and plunged themselves into the creek the water of which is now as cold as ice can make it; after remaining here a few minutes they returned again to the warm bath, repeating this transision several times but always ending with the warm bath.
…… Click Here To See Photos & Read More Related To The /\Above/\ Historical Discussion, Of What We Now Call Lolo Hot Springs..

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Saturday, July 20, 2024: … Continuing On My Walk Back To The Lolo Hot Springs Resort Parking Lot, David Matos Pointed To This Unexpected, But Very Nice, Photo Op.

PS: Don’t Miss The Bird!

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After Leaving Lolo Hot Springs, It Is ~7 Miles To Lolo Pass, The Highest Point Along US-12, Where Is Located The Montana-Idaho Border.
…In June 2002, As Shown In /\Above/\ Panorama Photo, Here Was Seen Newly Cleared Land, A Preparation To Construct A Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center, By The National Park Service, And States of Idaho & Montana.
….Upper Right Of Center, You See A White Rectangular Sign, Which The NEXT Photo Shows A Closer View, With Discussion.

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.

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…DATE-LINE: June 13, 2021: by Henry Gurr.
ChangesSinceRobertPirsig1968Trip. As Seen By HSG in 2002.
…My /\ Above/\ June 29, 2002 Photos (combined into a panorama) shows the then current construction to make a new Idaho-Montana Tourist Visitor Information Center at Lolo Pass, Which Is Here At The Montana – Idaho Border.
….Since the work area of the construction covers all of the relatively flat area at the pass, the construction of the Visitor’s Center, possibly removed evidence of where there may have been any former building, such as a restaurant. However, close inspection reveals that all evidence of any previous buildings, such as a Previous Restaurant, or previous Visitor Center, at the top of the pass (if any) has been removed by the construction.

….PLEASE READ Visitor Center INFORMATION BELOW AND ALSO SEE ADDITIONAL Old Mud Creek Ranger Station TEXT IN NEXT PHOTO.
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Excerpt From National Park Service Page.
…. The Lolo Pass Visitor Center is a historical landmark site on the Lewis and Clark Highway, bordering Montana and Idaho. It is located near the area where Meriwether Lewis and William Clark took eleven days in September of 1805 to traverse the grueling Lolo Pass through the Bitterroot Mountains. The dangerous terrain, harsh weather conditions, and near-starvation resulted in the most arduous portion of the entire expedition in which the men resorted to eating some of their own horses to survive. The visitor center is also located on the Nez Perce National Historic Trail, a path followed by a band of Nez Perce Indians while fleeing from the U.S. Calvary in 1877 to avoid being forced onto a reservation.
….At the visitor center, visitors will find information detailing Lewis and Clark's journey across the Bitterroot Mountains and the flight of the Nez Perce Indians, along with other historical, natural, and general information. As a major trailhead for cross-country skiing and snowmobiling, the center also has a warming hut for skiers and recreationists, a 24-hour restroom, a snowmobile parking lot, and maps and information pertinent to winter visitors.
…. [[NOTE This Page (Blue Link Above) also shows a Map of => Lewis and Clark National Historic Trails (NHT) Visitor Centers and Museums. ]]
…. Although there is no doubt that The Bitterroot Mountains are “grueling .. dangerous terrain, with harsh winter weather conditions”,
…by total contrast, the summer traveler, in a modern automobile on the current day smooth paved highway, has absolutely no sense of any arduous! At least this was my Henry Gurr’s experience in 2002!
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The ZMM Narrator Says =>
… “At Lolo Pass we see a restaurant, and pull up in front of it… “

BUT …. At Lolo Pass …. Where Is the ZMM Narrator’s Restaurant?
…….Although Ii Is Typical & Popular For A Restaurant to Be At A Leveled-Off Place, At The Maximum Of A Mountain Pass, I Could Find No Evidence Of Such.
….So … Contrary to The ZMM Narrator’s “At Lolo Pass” , The ZMM Restaurant, MUST Have Been At Lolo Hot Springs, Which is NOT STRICTLY SPEAKING, AT LOLO PASS, But Seven Miles PRIOR To “Lolo Pass”, At The MT-ID Border.
….
….As seen in Previous Photo => There IS a nice Lodge and Restaurant at Lolo Hot Springs. This is in Montana, on US-12, about 7 miles prior to the MT--ID-border.
…All things considered, this almost certainly must have been the location of the 1968 ZMM Restaurant
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The Previous Photo Discussed The Construction of The Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center, At The Maximum Elevation Of Lolo Pass.
…. The /\ Above /\ 2002 Photo, You Can Read This Sign’s Explanation Of The Various Government Agencies, Which In Partnership, Will Fund & Guide The Visitor’s Center Operation.

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.


…DATE-LINE: June 13, 2021: by Henry Gurr.
Continued From Previous Photo => Changes Since Robert Pirsig 1968 Trip, As Seen By HSG in 2002.

….PLEASE NOTE => Being At Lolo Pass, This Visitor Information Center is located near BOTH a) The Nez Perce National Historic Trail, AND Lewis & Clark Historic Trail. This happens because Lewis & Clark needed a best way through these Treacherous High Mountains, and the Native American Nez Perce knew a good trail they had been using for 1000’s of years!
…This Visitor Center also provides information concerning the U. S. Forest Service (which controls most the land area around here), and provides visitor information for the states of Idaho and Montana.
….And in the /\ Above /\ Photo, as the Sign Says, The Visitor Center is a partnership of a) The National Park Service, b) The Nez Perce Tribe, and c) The Departments of Transportation in Montana, and Idaho. To construct the Visitor Center, there was concurrent extensive widening of the highway to provide turnoff lanes, etc.
…NOTE Extensive Google Searches failed to find any additional information, or text, as to what this sign says.

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…. Excerpt From USDA, National Forest Page, For The LOLO PASS VISITOR CENTER: This Page Shows At Top, A Small Photograph Of The Lolo Visitor Pass Visitor Center In The Summer.
….The Lolo Pass Visitor Center serves as one of the many historical landmarks off Highway 12, the Lewis and Clark Highway, bordering Montana and Idaho. The facility is located in the area where Lewis and Clark crossed over the Lolo Pass in the Bitterroot Mountains. The Lolo Pass Visitor Center and Rest Area is located along the Nez Perce National Historic Trail and is one of the designated sites of Nez Perce National Historical Park.
,,,,The buildings were a part of the near Lolo Hot Springs in 1923. In 1977 they were moved to Lolo Pass and restored to meet the increased demands of an information center. … [[The NEXT Photo, has further discussion of the whereabouts of => The Old Mud Creek Ranger Station. ]]
…The visitor center displays information on the Lewis and Clark journey across the Bitterroot Mountains and the 1877 flight of the Nez Perce Indians and tells historical, natural, and general information about the area.
,,,,The facility currently includes an interpretive center, warming hut, 24-hour restroom, snowmobile parking lot, parking for other recreationists, and a 30-minute outer parking lot for larger commercial vehicles and other rest stop vehicles. You will find cross-country ski and snowmobile trails as well as a snowshoe trail for your winter recreation enjoyment. While recreating, you can stop in the warming hut for a cup of hot chocolate, tea or coffee, in front of a comforting warm fire. Winter season is quite busy as the Lolo Pass area serves as a major trailhead for cross-country skiing and snowmobiling.
....The visitor center sells parking permits and carries maps and winter usage information for visitors.

*** MORE INFORMATION ***
…. This Map Shows => The Nez Perce National Historic Trail, which follows the route taken by a large band of the Nez Perce Indian tribe in 1877 during their attempt to escape death from US Calvary. AFTER this Map Comes Up, You Will See That This Trail is (somewhat parallel to and), a bit North of US-12, trending Southwest From Lolo Pass.
….Please see additional information below.
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Concerning The Nez Perce National Historic Trail, Our ZMM Facebook Page Has Information + Added Links To More Good Information + An Excellent Historic Trails Map, + This Summary =>
….On October 5th, 1877, Chief Joseph surrendered his band of Nez Perce to the US cavalry only 40 miles from escape across the Canadian border, making his eloquent and famous "From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever" statement. However, Chief Joseph did continue to fight for his people, struggling against exile and reservation conditions as an advocate and a voice of conscience. The epic flight of the Nez Perce is detailed here, covering over ~1700 miles. The path of the Nez Perce is eerily similar to a reverse of Pirsig's motorcycle ride, sharing the same path in Idaho at White Bird Canyon where the first battle with US Cavalry took place, and then through Lolo Pass, and later through Yellowstone Park. Today, this route is commemorated as the Nez Perce National Historic Trail.
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…. Please See The Above Blue Link=> For Additional Internet Links, That Go To Good Additional Information, AND A Very Detailed Map of Historic Trails, In Early Idaho & Montana.

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Saturday, July 20, 2024: …A Panorama View Of The Buildings Of The Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center, Created & Run By The National Park Service, And States of Idaho & Montana.
…The Building At Left Is Not Open To the Public. The Building Right Is Where Are Staff To Answer Questions, And All Of The Displays, Some Of Which Are Shown In NEXT Panorama Photo.

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.

Inside The Visitor Can Learn About Significant Places In The So Named “Lolo Corridor”.
……The Lolo Corridor encompasses the Lolo Creek Area and Lolo Pass, famous for its scenic beauty, historical significance to the Lewis and Clark Expedition and the Nez Perce, and outdoor recreation like hiking, camping, fishing, and skiing. Travelers can drive U.S. Highway 12 or the more primitive Lolo Motorway (Forest Road 500), a remote route suitable for high-clearance vehicles, offering spectacular views. Key attractions include numerous interpretive signs, the Lolo Pass Visitor Center, and the Traveler's Rest State Park, a confirmed campsite from the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Also visit The Nez Perce National Historical Park.

The buildings were a part of the Old Mud Creek ranger station near Lolo Hot Springs in 1923. In 1977 they were moved to Lolo Pass and restored.

…This above Click Here. Statement Made By A National Forest Website, if true would be interesting. However it is not evident where at “Lolo Pass” this restored building, might now be. And Google Research reveals no clues.
… Click Here For a.1930’s Photo & Short discussion.

Click Here For Static Photo Video With Sound Track About => “The [National Forest Service] Mud Creek Ranger Station. Discussion about the history of these buildings and where they were moved to including Lolo Pass Visitor Center, Missoula (Orchard Homes area where Bill Bell lived). Includes discussion about the coldest day Bud Moore remembers, trapping mink, Jay Turner and Ed Mackay. Good winter trapping story.

Concerning The Lolo Pass Visitor Center Buildings, The Above-Mentioned USDA Forest Service WebPage, Blue Link Above, Says. =>
,,,,”This NEW Visitor Center, reuses buildings which were originally a part of the Old Mud Creek Ranger Station near Lolo Hot Springs in 1923. In 1977 they were moved to Lolo Pass and restored to meet the increased demands of an information center.”
And Of Course, .Robert Pirsig And The ZMM Narrator Would HIGHLY Approve Of Such =>
… Preservation, “Restoration”, and Re-Use of this Historical Old National Forest Service Ranger Station Building. And especially a Re-Use of This Venerable Old Building, where it can be seen and appreciated for what it is and was!
….This Appreciation Can Be Similar To What The Narrator Says (After Their Visit To Yellowstone National Park), About His Motel Cabins at Gardiner, MT.
…. I notice things about the cabin too, which I point out to Chris. The windows are all double-hung and sash-weighted. The doors click shut without looseness. All the moldings are perfectly mitered. There’s nothing arty about all this, it’s just well done
….AND This ALSO “Fits” The Narrator’s Discussion =>
…. That wall in Korea that Phædrus saw was an act of technology. It was beautiful, but not because of any masterful intellectual planning or any scientific supervision of the job, or any added expenditures to "stylize" it. It was beautiful because the people who worked on it had a way of looking at things that made them do it right unselfconsciously. They didn’t separate themselves from the work in such a way as to do it wrong.
….. There is the center of the whole solution.
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Saturday, July 20, 2024: … A Panorama View Inside => The Lolo Pass, National Park Service And States of Idaho & Montana, Visitor Information Center.
…As You Can See, There Are Loads Of Displays About This “Lolo Corridor” Area.

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.

When Henry saw maps on display, automatically spontaneously he thought to ask => Is there a map that shows Historical Points of Interest Such As =>
…a) Early Native Americans.(Nez Perce) and
…b) The Lewis & Clark Expedition.
…c) The so called “The Lolo Motor Way”, which mostly follows The “Lolo Trail”, which was created close to portions of the travel route followed by Native North Americans and then later by Lewis & Clark.
….d) A National Forest Service Summary & Explanation of => The Lewis and Clark Expedition Along => The “Lolo Trail” & The “Lolo Motor Way”

The answer to the above question was => Yes: All of these are shown on this a USCA & Notional Forest, 4 x 4 foot Wall Map of the “Clearwater National Forest”. All this, and also shown are a great amount of other historical and visitor information!
…NOTE: Portions Of This Map, are shown in the FOLLOWING TWO Photos.

Accompanying The NEXT Approximately ?TWELVE? Photos, You Will Find Additional Road Information, Maps, Satellite Views, Google Street Views, & More Information About The Above Topics.
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Saturday, July 20, 2024: … Inside The A Visitor Information Center, They Display A Large Map Of Northwestern Idaho, From Lewiston, ID In The West To Clearwater National Forest in The East.
…This Above Map (And Satellite View Below), Will Introduce You To This Area Of Idaho.

Since The Above Photo Is Not A Good Focus, … Click Here For A Satellite View Of Approximately This Same Area Of Northwestern Idaho.
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Additional Information Concerning The QUALITY & CRAFTSMANSHIP OF The Once Upon A Time, Plans For The Lolo Pass Visitor Center Building =>
…A USDA Forest Service WebPage, Said =>
...”This NEW Visitor Center, reuses buildings which were originally a part of the Old Mud Creek Ranger Station near Lolo Hot Springs in 1923. In 1977 they were moved to Lolo Pass and restored to meet the increased demands of an information center.”

…However, when (July 2024) I was at the New Visitor Center, NONE of the buildings looked “old”, and a staff person said all their buildings were all new construction.

NOTE: AFTER the below Blue Link comes up, you can expand the Left Pannel, and then Upper Right, ClickOn “View Photos”, to see over 200 photos of the Center, Inside & Outside. Also show the surrounding area with many showing Winter Snow Scenes. … For A Satellite View Of The Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center, Click Here.

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Saturday, July 20, 2024: Continued … Inside The New Visitor Information Center, They Display A Large Map Of Northeastern Idaho, From Clearwater National Forest In Center, To Missoula, MT In The East.
…This Above Map (And Satellite View Below), Will Introduce You To This Area Of Idaho.


Since The Above Photo Is Not A Good Focus, … Click Here For A Satellite View Of Approximately This Same Area Of Northeastern Idaho.
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A Satellite View Of Significant Places In The So-Named “Lolo Corridor”, Where The Red PinPoint Marks The Nez Perce Reservation, But Otherwise Unlabeled.
…Please Remember, Since The Photos That Follow Discuss Places Shown On This Satellite View.
… An AI Visitor’s Guide Overview Supplied By Google, Gives =>
Tips for Driving Elk Meadows Road in Lolo National Forest. =>
……The Lolo Corridor encompasses the Lolo Creek Area and Lolo Pass, famous for its scenic beauty, historical significance to the Lewis and Clark Expedition and the Nez Perce, and outdoor recreation like hiking, camping, fishing, and skiing. Travelers can drive U.S. Highway 12 or the more primitive Lolo Motorway (Forest Road 500), a remote route suitable for high-clearance vehicles, offering spectacular views. Key attractions include numerous interpretive signs, the Lolo Pass Visitor Center, and the Traveler's Rest State Park, a confirmed campsite from the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Also visit The Nez Perce National Historical Park Remember to fill up on gas and supplies before entering remote sections of the Lolo Corridor, as cell service is often unavailable.

Historical Significance:
…The Lolo Corridor follows the historic Lolo Trail, a challenging route for both the Nez Perce and the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Visit Traveler's Rest State Park to see archaeological evidence of the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

Scenic Drive:
…a) U.S. Highway 12 offers a breathtaking and accessible scenic drive through the corridor, with gas and amenities available in towns like Lolo, MT.
…b) Lolo Motorway (Forest Road 500), which is a more challenging experience. You can drive the Lolo Motorway, a primitive, narrow road following the ridge line of the historic trail. This route is not recommended for RVs or trailers.
Key Attractions & Experiences:
…c) Lolo Pass: This is the highest point of the historic trail and a major feature of the corridor. Stop by the Lolo Pass Visitor Center for information and to learn more about the area's history.
…d) Lolo Creek Area: Explore this section of the corridor for camping, fishing, and picnicking along Lolo Creek. Numerous campgrounds are available throughout the Lolo National Forest within the Lolo Corridor.

Hiking & Backpacking & Fishing & Wildlife Viewing & Winter Sports:
...Over 2,400 miles of trails, including portions of the Lolo Trail, are available for hiking. Enjoy fishing opportunities in Lolo Creek and other nearby rivers. Keep an eye out for wildlife as you travel through the diverse forest ecosystems. In winter, cross-country skiing and snowmobiling are popular activities.

Prepare for Remote Conditions:
…Cell service is often unavailable, and the Lolo Motorway (Forest Road 500), is a rough, remote road. High-clearance vehicles are required for the Lolo Motorway. Despite the name "Motorway," this road is very rough, narrow, and travels through remote country...
…Supplies: Fill up your gas tank and stock up on food and water before heading into the more remote areas.[[ END: AI Visitor’s Guide Overview Supplied By Google. ]] .

… A Very Good 6.6 Minute Video “Traveling the Lolo Motorway in Idaho”, Shows What It Is Like To Drive This Rough Dirt Road, Often Quite Rocky. But Stupendous Views & Panorama Scenery Scans. Click Here.

The NEXT Photo Shows => A Satellite View Of Significant Places In The So Named “Lolo Trail”.

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… Click Here For A Satellite View Of This Location.

NOTE: The “Lolo Trail” In Idaho, Shown /\Above/\, In Blue, Is Shown On Many Maps As National Forest Road 500. And Because It Was Easiest For Construction, The Lolo Motor Way Follows The Traditional Lolo Trail. This Is The Subject Of The NEXT Blue Link Below. But Unfortunately does not have any good added photos.

A Satellite View Of Significant Places In The So Named “Lolo Trail”, Where The Red PinPoint Marks The “Indian Postoffice”.
…But Be Aware That What Is Shown In Blue, Is Only A Small Portion Of The Traditional Lolo Trail, Which Runs From Oregon To Buffalo Country On The North American Planes.
…Please Remember, Since The Photos That Follow Discuss Places Shown On This Satellite View.
…Also, Please Remember, The PREVIOUS Photos That Has A COMPLETE Lolo Corridor Visitor’s Guide
…With Tips for Driving Elk Meadows Road in Lolo National Forest. =>

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… Click Here For A Satellite View Of This Location.

A Specially Annotated Topographic (Topo) Map, Intended To Further Show And Explain The Locations Of Major Points of Interest In The “Lolo Corridor”, Some Of Which Are Described In Idaho Local History Signs, Seen In The FIFTH PHOTO NEXT.

SHOWN IN /\ABOVE/\ TOPO MAP ARE THESE AS FOLLOWS =>
…A) SINGLE RED DOTS MARK => The Lewis & Clark July 1805 Expedition WESTWARD Route, which they were shown by Nez Perce Native Americans Guides, along millennia old, existing well-used trails, long used by their Tribe. …. In Eastern Idaho, this is now called the Lolo Trail, which is now also designated as ”The Nee Mee Poo National Historic Trail” (Nimiipuu Trail).
…As you see between the SINGLE RED DOTS, the this Lolo Trail, follows fairly closely the marked (faint black line) of the Lolo Motorway.
…B) SERIES OF DOUBLE RED DOTS MARK => A Portion Of The Lewis & Clark EASTWARD return September 1806 Expedition Route. They found their previous July Route blocked by deep snow, and again with Nez Perce Guides, used a Lower Elevation Route, which was further South.
…C) REMEMBER: SEVERAL TIMES TO CLICK PHOTO TO GET LARGEST VIEW. =>THEN USE A MAGNIFYING GLASS TO STUDY =>.
…….TH LOLO CORRIDOR LOCATIONS, UNDERLINED BY GREEN ARE =>
…..1) Upper Right => see “Packer Meadow”, which is “in the Clearwater National Forest where the Lewis and Clark Expedition camped on September 13, 1805, while traveling West along the Lolo Trail”. .
……2) Below “Packer Meadow”, you see “Lolo Pass”, which is beside a Heavy Black Line: This marks US-12 Going Over Lolo Pass, and continuing to bottom left of center.
……3) Right Of Center and Mid Height, see =>”WayPt = 264”, which is one of Henry Gurr’s 2002 GPS Waypoints, => Which here marks the location of “Four Local History Signs Respectively Describing Local Natural Idaho Scenery & History”. One of these signs describes how Lewis & Clark, on their return from the Pacific Ocean Coast, came through here September 16, 1805 . These four signs are shown in the FIFTH PHOTO NEXT .
…4) Right Of Center and Mid Height, see =>”Rocky Point Lookout”. This is “The "Lookout Peak" mentioned by Lewis & Clark, [and} is Clark's Lookout, a hill in Montana from which Captain William Clark surveyed the landscape on August 13, 1805.” ….: “Captain Clark climbed the hill to get a better sense of the surrounding area. From the top, he used a telescope, took compass readings, and sketched a map of the region.”
…5) Mid Height, Right of Center see => “Powell Junction”, a prominent way point on “The Lolo Motorway” (Forest Road 500), which in turn is shown & described both in the 1) SECOND REVIOUS PHOTO’S Satellite View, and 2) approximately the TWELFTH NEXT Photo.
……5) Bottom right of center see =>:”Colt Killed Creek Campsite”, Of the Lewis & Clark Expedition.
……6)…Please send Email if you see more needed.
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The /\Above/\ Topo Map Is Centered At => ~17 miles WSW of Lolo Pass, Which Is At The Montana & Idaho Border. (GPS ~= 46.574469, -114.923440),
…This Also Happens To Show, At Left Mid-Height, The Location Of Henry Gurr’s WayPoint 264, Which Is In Turn Is => The Location Of Several Times Mentioned => The “Four Signs Respectively Describing Local Natural Idaho Scenery & History”.
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PLEASE REMEMBER TO => SEVERAL TIMES CLICK PHOTO TO GET LARGEST VIEW.
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A FINAL NOTE
…A) The PURPOSE OF This /\ Above /\ Topographic (Topo) Map, Is To Show & Explain => The Terrain Of What Is Called => “The Lolo Corridor”.
…B) And supply instructions as how to Further Explore this area..
…C) You may see three important nice phoros, and learn more about the above-mentioned ”Rocky Point Lookout”, several places in this WebPage =>
Click Here.For =>Discover Lewis & Clark WebPage => “The Trail / Road to the Buffalo / Rocky Point Views”

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A Few Miles West Lolo Pass, A View Looking West & Down Along US-12.
…On Facebook, Lyndon DeJong’s Post, January 18, 2024 =>
[A view of] Lolo Pass last summer. I've rode it 4 times west bound and 2 times east bound! Going again next summer!

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MY SOURCES OF LEWIS & CLARK HISTORIC LOLO TRAIL INFORMATION, That Were Placed On The Previous Photo’s Topozone Map.
…Below are the steps I used, for approximate placement of the Red Dots (& Double Dots) onto the /\ Above-Mentioned/\ Topo Map => These placements were found by =>
…IF YOU HAPPEN TO => Google … Lewis & Clark Expedition… . and bring up practically any of the National Park Service’s (NPS) Pages, you will find =>. For Example => This Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center Page, will be a good place to start. ***ATTENTION; It will be easiest to look at the NPS Map, and do the BELOW Steps 2) thru 12) => if you have a Second Computer Screen available (Such as a Cell Phone) showing the words of Steps 1) thru 12), You See Below. *** …Click Here.= … THEN AFTER This NPS Page Comes Up => Continue Doing The Below Steps 1) thru 12) =>
…1) On this NPS Page that just came up, scroll down 10 inches, where you will find a map BELOW the words => “Lewis and Clark NHT Visitor Centers and Museums”.
…2) Click on ‘Full Screen” (on map upper right corner) and Zoom-In until you can see the Eastern Border of Idaho.
…3) You will see many Black Disks With White (h) => Mouse hover successively on these until you find the one that says => “Colt Killed Creek Campsite”.
…4) Remember this disk, and keep it center screen => While you Zoom-In until you can see => Yellow US-12 between a Upper And Lower Green Routes.
…5) ClickDrag map, until Black Disk With White (h) that says => “Packer Meadow” is upper right. .
…6) In looking at these Green Routes => It takes a long time to discern (from the lighter & darker map shading) where the valley stream bottom lines are, as distinct from the ridge top lines. But after a while, you will see that the NPS Map Green Travel Lines, at most places, run exactly along ridge top lines. I would have thought that along streams would be more easily travelled, but not so in this area.
…7) Now the Upper And Lower Green Routes on your screen, show how I was able to successively estimate, where to place Red Dots (& Double Dots) onto /\ Above /\ Topo Map”.
…8) However, if you look closely, you will see that my Red Dots (& Double Dots) On The /\ Above /\ Topo Map, have a somewhat different relative placement, compared to the NPS Map. This is partly due to error on my part, and also partly due to the NPS Map (or Topo Map) being unclear. (Altogether, I wish I had time to do a better job.)
…9) As is also mostly seen in the NPS Map, The Green Travel Lines are along of Ridge Top Lines. And as you can see, I have likewise placed these Red Dots, along corresponding Ridge Top Lines. And in many places this is ALSO along a somewhat darker solid black line, which means a road. This is a good result, as will be explained in 11) below. (Similarly for dotted line cases, which means a known trail.)
…11) To be able to make an accurate map of exactly where Lewis and Clark actually travelled, would require deep expert study of their Journals & Sketched Maps. And of course, research. But there is every reason to think the NPS Map is fairly accurate, because, from my limited study => I can see how the NPS Map Upper (June 1805) Green Travel Line, very closely “fits” => the Satellite Views showing Forest Road 500 (which is also the Lolo Motorway).
…..12) This Above-mentioned “closely “fits”, is almost a guarantee since =>.We can be relatively certain that “The Lolo Motorway”, follows on (or close to for the most part) the Original Road by Native American Nimiipuu Tribes (the Nez Perce Tribes),.from the Lolo Region to the grass covered lowlands of Buffalo Country. This Trail, now also designated ”The Nee Mee Poo National Historic Trail” (Nimiipuu Trail), remains accurately known, because, through all the centuries, it was functional and thus would be used and reused, continuously keeping it physically stamped on the landscape, and marked in living memory, generation to generation, of where it was exactly located, for use again.
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THIS PHOTO, BY A MOTORCYCLE ENTHUSIAST, SHOWS THE CORRECT IDEA, FOR THE ROAD AHEAD !!!
…This Gets Us Thinking Of The ZMM Route Road Ahead => Which Goes … Twisty Windy … Way, Way, Way, Down, Down !! …

The Thrill Of Motor-Cycling The ZMM Route On Down From Lolo Pass =>
……Way On Down The “Twisty Road”, Along By The Lochsa River, In A Deep Canyon.

… Fifteen Miles Ahead => After camping along a woodsy logging road, the next morning Narrator cheerfully continues =>

…… “ … The Blacktop Winds Down And Down …. Not Too Fast On These Curves. …” .

The ZMM Narrator’s Full Description Says =>
…. “ [Chris] gets on and in low gear we follow the logging road down to where it meets the blacktop again. Before we start on it I take one last look back up. Nice. A nice spot. From here the blacktop winds down and down.
….Long Chautauqua today. One that I’ve been looking forward to during the whole trip.
….Second gear and then third. Not too fast on these curves. Beautiful sunlight on these forests….“ (Cont.Next)

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.
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Above You See What The ZMM Narrator Says About The Road Ahead.
….Below, Three Motorcycle Enthusiasts, Have Their OWN Accolades! =>

…A} This route covers one of the most beautiful sections of the Lewis & Clark Trail as it winds through the Rocky Mountains of Idaho and Montana. As you ride through the Lolo national forest, look for whitewater rafts on the Lochsa and Selway rivers. You'll also see numerous steaming hot springs flowing down the hills along the way. Watch out for deer and mountain goats crossing the highway at random intervals.
….You have all seen the photos of the sign that says "Curves next 67 miles...This is the road! One of the best motorcycle roads in the country with lots of sweeping curves and a few tight ones. There is little traffic and excellent road surfaces. A rock solid 5 of 5 plus is more like it
... The same sign that says Curves ahead says no services next 75 miles. Make sure you fill up in Kooskia or in Lolo before entering this highway because there's nothing but trees, rivers and twisty roads for lots of miles!
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..B) …[A] riverside route along the Clearwater River up to Powell and then 13 miles to the top of the [Lolo] pass. On a bike this is considered to be a must-do ride and the teaser lies just outside of Kooskia (koo -kee) with the infamous "Winding Road Next 99 Miles."
….That number alone should get you thinking about fuel, an issue easily resolved, even for low range bikes like a Sportster. Gas up in Kamiah (kam-ee-eye) or Lowell and then in Powell at Lochsa (lawk-saw) Lodge.
…The ride up to the pass is a never ending series of twisties. While fun, you won't find much rhythm to them. The good news is there are plenty of broken yellow lines which provide ample passing zones for the times you come upon a slow RV or other vehicle .
… Many riders hit the pass and simply turn the bike around – thus missing the best part of the trip – the Montana side! It's not often you get to ride a motorcycle at 75 mph legally on corners that were made to be taken at 75 mph, so this section is not to be missed. You can ride all the way down to the town of Lolo and continue into Missoula for lunch. A tasty sandwich at Cafe Dolce does the trick.
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..C) We headed south for Grangeville, and then took ID 13 north to Kooksia, which was a pleasant surprise, very twisty. Then we took the Lewis and Clark highway over Lolo Pass. But on the way up to Lolo Pass, what a road! This road is designated as US12, and also referred to as The Wild & Scenic River Corridor. This is a great road, with very little traffic. At the beginning of the road, I saw a sign that said "77 miles of mountain road ahead", now that's what I really like!
….This road is well maintained, runs right next to the Lochsa River, had at least 8 turns per mile, and just goes on and on. We stopped about half way up this road, and found a small beach next to the river. We parked the bike and spent some time in the sun, surrounded by lots of butterflies! Very relaxing. Also, the weather was beautiful, with temperatures in the 80's, and not a hint of rain.….
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For The Stretch of ZMM Route AHEAD, The /\ Above /\ Photo’s “WINDING ROAD NEXT 99 MILES” Is Totally Appropriate, And Such A Sign SHOULD Be Placed At Lolo Pass, As The Road Starts Down. However, back in 2002, a sign said "NO SERVICES FOR NEXT 77 MILES", but No sign saying "Winding Road". This Is True For Both =>
….a) My 2002 ZMM Research Findings AND
….b) Google Street View (Nov 15), also fails to show any buildings like this near top of Lolo Pass.
…In real life, most likely this sign is at the bottom end of the Lochsa River Canyon’s, “WINDING ROAD 99 Miles”,, close to Kooksia, ID. And, tells the US-12 traveler, they are starting the climb up the Lochsa River Canyon. … Can Anyone Send an email Re: Where this photo was taken?
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July 2024 Added: … On WebPaages Motorcylist Say Following 3 Paragraphs =>

Saturday, July 20, 2024: … This Sign "Winding Road Next 99 Miles" Is Seen Soon After US-12 Starts Down From Lolo Pass, Which Going West, Is Just After The Montana-Idaho Border. Here, The ZMM Route, Continues, West Into Idaho.
…This Road Ahead, Is ALSO Part Of The Lewis And Clark National Historic Trail And Is Considered One Of The Best Motorcycle Roads In The Country, A Topic That Is Considerably Discussed In The PREVIOUS PHOTO.

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.


"WINDING ROAD NEXT 99 MILES”
…My favorite caution sign is on the Lolo Pass Highway, "Winding Road Next 99 miles," and that about sums it up. There are actually more like 180 miles of "winding road," which make this such a winner. The curves are mostly sweepers that can get you well over the speed limit, so take care because it is patrolled, mostly in Idaho.
For A Good Map Of This US-12 Route and A Good Photo Of The “77 MILE” Sign, Click Here.

MORE ABOUT => The Famous "Winding Road Next 99 Miles" Road Sign On US-12:
…At Blue Link below, you will find over 24 small photos, and MUCH favorable testimony about =>
…“Yes sir, great ride. Lolo Summit, US 12!”
…”Great ride. Try to ride it at least once a year!”
Fro The FULL Story About => Winding road sign on US-12 at Lolo Pass, Idaho. Click Here.

Here Are Some Things To Know About The Road : Where You Say => “My Favorite Caution Sign Is On The Lolo Pass Highway, "Winding Road Next 77 Miles," …. “And That About Sums It Up.
…AND if you say => “There are actually more like 180 miles of "winding road," which make this such a winner. The curves are mostly sweepers that can get you well over the speed limit, so take care because it is patrolled, mostly in Idaho.
…In online motorcycle groups, you may have seen a picture of a road sign that says, "WINDING ROAD NEXT 99 MILES” You'll find that sign near Kooskia, Idaho. [Also you will see the same sign at] Lolo Pass ].— located [near] the Montana border — the road mirrors the twists and turns of the Lochsa River, dramatically changing elevation along the way.
…The full route we describe here is more than 200 miles of sweeping curves and tight bends. This route also offers a unique glimpse into some of the country’s most untouched landscapes—rugged mountains, forested hills, gorgeous meadows, and powerful rivers.
…Lolo Pass motorcycle route is a 200-mile section of the nearly 5,000-mile Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail. The road surfaces are excellent, and there isn’t a lot of traffic, so the trip’s a great option if you're an adventurous rider with a moderate level of experience. Veteran riders also love this route and excitedly
…Lolo Pass is the highest pass in the Bitterroot Mountains, 5,233 feet above sea level. This legendary route stretches from Lewiston, Idaho, to about 40 miles west-southwest of Missoula, Montana.
This route runs through a very isolated area. Bring plenty of food and water, warm layers, and a tool kit. If starting in Lewiston, stop again in Kooskia for gas. If starting in Missoula, stop for gas before turning onto Hwy 12 in Lolo. There’s only one gas station along Hwy 12 between those two points—80 miles from Kooskia and 55 miles from Lolo.
…There’s also no cellphone service between Lolo and Kooskia. You can find emergency phones on the Idaho side of Hwy 12 at mileposts 120, 139, and 169.
Elevation: The road climbs to an elevation of 5,233 feet at Lolo Pass.
Curves: The road is known for its many curves, which start out smooth and gradually get tighter as the scenery becomes more dramatic.
…State road crews patrol the road daily to look for rock and tree falls, as well as deer, elk, and broken-down vehicles.
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The Above By Dairyland® Insurance. Jun 26, 2024. For More Details, Including Advice & Safety. .Click Here.

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The Tight Right Curve Ahead, Where The Road Will Follow A Ravine Edge, Curving Down, Down, Down.
….I arrived at Lolo Pass In the Early Morning, And As Seen In /\ Above /\ Photo, Saw Fog Which Was Really Part of a Low Cloud Squeezing Up Over the Pass From the West.

….“At Lolo Pass …. (Cont.next)

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border, Heading Into Idaho. Here is where the road turns to go down, down, down!!!
….As I took this photo 2002, I was reminded of a photo (on the Internet), of a sign I had discovered months previously, which said =>
…. **** “WARNING: NO Services for 75 miles!” **** ….
….Wilderness indeed! Be prepared! Fools rush in where angels fear to tread! Remember your ZMM Maintenance, and like a Boy Scout, “Be Well Prepared”!

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