Here Is My One Photo That Shows the Road Slightly Curving Around The Giant Rock.
….Look Closely, You Can See The Road Left Of The Rock, Then Change Direction Slightly At The Right Side.

….“We’re headed southwest, have picked up a tail wind, and we feel better because of it. The road starts to wind up into the pass.
,,,,All traces of the east are gone now, at least in my imagination. All the rain here comes from Pacific winds and all the rivers and streams here return it to the Pacific. We should be at the ocean in two or three days. ,,,,“ (Cont.next)

Fifteen miles West of Lolo, MT. My notes say “Gusty Headwind”. This is opposite the narrator’s reported wind direction.

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In 1968, Chris & The ZMM Narrator’s Restaurant Must Have Been At Lolo Hot Springs.
…BUT, Because Accurate Photos From “Back Then” Are Unavailable, The Google Street View, November 2015 Version, Seen Above, Shows Approximately What They Would Have Seen.

Looking From Lolo Creek Road Roadway: A Google Street View of the Lolo Hot Springs Resort Where =>
..A) The Huge And Grand Modern Lodge Is Off Photo To Left.
..B) Building At Left Is The Boulder Room Restaurant. ….
..C) Next To The Right, With Green Awning, Is A General Store.
..D) To Right Of The Big Sign, Is The Hot Springs Swimming Pool Service Building.
..E) Next To The Right, Look Closely, See The Wire Fence Around The Hot Springs Swimming Pool.
..F) At The Base Of The Granite Boulder Ridge, Above Swimming Pool, Was The Original Location Of The Hot Springs: These Springs were seen & used & surely enjoyed by Native Americans and Lewis & Clark, and Subsequent Generations.


….[ “At Lolo Pass “ ]. we see a restaurant, and pull up in front of it beside an old Harley high-miler. It has a homemade pannier on the back and thirty-six thousand on the odometer. A real cross-country man.
.. .. Inside we fill up on pizza and milk, and when finished leave right away. There’s not much sunlight left, and a search for a campsite after dark is difficult and unpleasant.“ (Cont.Next)

~7 miles Before Top Of Lolo Pass and the MT-ID border, At 38500 Lolo Creek Road, Lolo, MT.
….There is a nice Lodge and Restaurant at Lolo Hot Springs, which is in far western Montana, about 7 mi prior to Idaho border. All things considered, this almost certainly must have been the ZMM restaurant “at: Lolo Pass” .
The Lolo Hot Springs Resorts Own WebSite Says =>
….The Boulder Room Restaurant and Bar is located at Lolo Hot Springs Resort. The resort is on 125 acres of private property in the middle of the Lolo National Forest, 37 miles southwest of Missoula on Highway 12 West. A saloon with live entertainment, a restaurant, a gallery, and natural mineral hot springs pools are all available at the resort.
…. Dining is also available at the coffee shop/café.
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….This Restaurant Is Actually Part Of A Tourist Resort, An Idea Which Always Seems To Happen At Most Naturally Occurring Hot Mineral Springs.
….But the ZMM Narrator gives no information about Lolo Hot Springs, or even its name! … Is this because of its tourist nature? And similar to other tourist places, we see again the reason, we are not given the location or any other facts about the Hot Springs, or even the Restaurant.
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…A) . To See 104 Photos Of Lolo Hot Springs Resort, Click Here. You will see their Buildings, Inside, & Out, including The Hot Springs Swimming Pool. Both Summer & Winter photos are shown.
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…B) To See Over 40 REALLY GOOD & LARGE Photos Of Lolo Hot Springs Resort, Click Here. You will see their Buildings, Inside, & Out, including The Hot Springs Swimming Pool. Both Summer & Winter photos are shown.
…C) This Google Street View (GSV) Is Perhaps Better Than A 360 Degree Full Circle Panorama, Since It Can In Addition A) Look Farther Up AND Down, Plus GSV Offers The Ability To Zoom And Magnify, And See Better Distant Details!! RIGHT CLICK HERE AND SELECT “NEW TAB” =>
….INSTRUCTIONS =>After Google Street View (GSV) Comes Up, Then => Click on the Google Street View Image, WHERE you want the “VIEW” To go. => Thus you can Successively Click-Click-Click & “GSV Drive” Along The street you see on your computer screen.
….You could “GSV Drive” => 1) Down US-12, several miles back, to see The Narrator’s Giant Rocks, OR 2) Up US-12, seven miles forward, to experience The Narrator’s road to Lolo Pass. …. At any time you can Click On The Plus&Minus To Zoom …. AND You can “Click&Drag” the Image On Screen in any direction, for a better view.
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Beginning Construction For An Idaho & Montana Visitor Information Center, Year 2002.
…. BUT …. At Lolo Pass …. Where Is the ZMM Narrator’s Restaurant?
…….Although Ii Is Typical & Popular For A Restaurant to Be At A Leveled-Off Place, At The Maximum Of A Mountain Pass, I Could Find No Evidence Of Such.
….So … Contrary to The ZMM Narrator’s “At Lolo Pass” , The ZMM Restaurant, MUST Have Been At Lolo Hot Springs, Which is NOT AT LOLO PASS, But Seven Miles PRIOR To “Lolo Pass” , Which Is Of Course, Is Exactly At The MT-ID Border.

….[ “At Lolo Pass we see a restaurant, and pull up in front of it… “ ]
….As seen in Previous Photo => There is a nice Lodge and Restaurant at Lolo Hot Springs. This is in Montana, on US-12, about 7 miles prior to the MT--ID-border. All things considered, this almost certainly must have been the location of the ZMM Restaurant
(Cont.Next)

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.
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…DATE-LINE: June 13, 2021: by Henry Gurr.
ChangesSinceRobertPirsig1968Trip. As Seen By HSG in 2002.
My /\ Above/\ June 29, 2002 Photo shows then current construction to make a new Idaho-Montana Tourist Visitor Information Center at Lolo Pass, Which Is Here At The Montana – Idaho Border.
….Since the work area of the construction covers all of the relatively flat area at the pass, the construction of the Visitor’s Center, possibly removed evidence of where there may have been any former building, such as a restaurant. However, close inspection reveals that all evidence of any previous buildings, such as a Previous Restaurant, or previous Visitor Center, at the top of the pass (if any) has been removed by the construction.
….PLEASE READ Visitor Center INFORMATION BELOW AND ADDITIONAL Old Mud Creek Ranger Station TEXT IN NEXT PHOTO.
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Excerpt From National Park Service Page.
…. The Lolo Pass Visitor Center is a historical landmark site on the Lewis and Clark Highway, bordering Montana and Idaho. It is located near the area where Meriwether Lewis and William Clark took eleven days in September of 1805 to traverse the grueling Lolo Pass through the Bitterroot Mountains. The dangerous terrain, harsh weather conditions, and near-starvation resulted in the most arduous portion of the entire expedition in which the men resorted to eating some of their own horses to survive. The visitor center is also located on the Nez Perce National Historic Trail, a path followed by a band of Nez Perce Indians while fleeing from the U.S. Calvary in 1877 to avoid being forced onto a reservation.
….At the visitor center, visitors will find information detailing Lewis and Clark's journey across the Bitterroot Mountains and the flight of the Nez Perce Indians, along with other historical, natural, and general information. As a major trailhead for cross-country skiing and snowmobiling, the center also has a warming hut for skiers and recreationists, a 24-hour restroom, a snowmobile parking lot, and maps and information pertinent to winter visitors.
…. [[This Page (Blue Link Above) also shows a Map of => Lewis and Clark National Historic Trails (NHT) Visitor Centers and Museums. ]]
…. Although there is no doubt that The Bitterroot Mountains are “grueling .. dangerous terrain, with harsh winter weather conditions”, by total contrast, the summer traveler, in a modern automobile on the current day smooth paved highway, has absolutely no sense of any arduous! At least this was my Henry Gurr’s experience in 2002!
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Concerning The QUALITY & CRAFTSMANSHIP OF =>
…. The Lolo Pass Visitor Center Building, The USDA Forest Service WebPage, Blue Link Above, Says. =>
,,,,As extensively discussed in the NEXT photo => This NEW Visitor Center, reuses buildings which were originally a part of the Old Mud Creek Ranger Station near Lolo Hot Springs in 1923. In 1977 they were moved to Lolo Pass and restored to meet the increased demands of an information center.”
….Robert Pirsig And The ZMM Narrator Would HIGHLY Approve Of Such =>
… Preservation, “Restoration”, and Re-Use of this Historical Old National Forest Service Ranger Station Building. And especially a Re-Use of This Venerable Old Building, where it can be seen and appreciated for what it is and was!
….This Appreciation Can Be Similar To What The Narrator Says (After Their Visit To Yellowstone National Park), About His Motel Cabins at Gardiner, MT.
…. I notice things about the cabin too, which I point out to Chris. The windows are all double-hung and sash-weighted. The doors click shut without looseness. All the moldings are perfectly mitered. There’s nothing arty about all this, it’s just well done
….AND This ALSO “Fits” The Narrator’s Discussion =>
…. That wall in Korea that Phædrus saw was an act of technology. It was beautiful, but not because of any masterful intellectual planning or any scientific supervision of the job, or any added expenditures to "stylize" it. It was beautiful because the people who worked on it had a way of looking at things that made them do it right unselfconsciously. They didn’t separate themselves from the work in such a way as to do it wrong.
….. There is the center of the whole solution.

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The Previous Photo Discussed The Construction of The Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center At Lolo Pass.
…. The /\ Above /\ 2002 Sign, Explains Various Government Agencies, Which In Partnership, Will Fund & Guide The Visitor’s Center Operation.

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Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.
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…DATE-LINE: June 13, 2021: by Henry Gurr.
Continued From Previous Photo => Changes Since Robert Pirsig 1968Trip, As Seen By HSG in 2002.
….PLEASE NOTE => Being At Lolo Pass, This Visitor Information Center is located near BOTH a) The Nez Perce National Historic Trail, AND Lewis & Clark Historic Trail. This happens because Lewis & Clark needed a best way through these Treacherous High Mountains, and the Native American Nez Perce knew a good trail they had been using for 1000’s of years!
….And as the Sign Says In /\ Above /\ Photo, The Visitor Center is a partnership of a) The National Park Service, b) The Nez Perce Tribe, and c) The Departments of Transportation in Montana, and Idaho.
…This Visitor Center also provides information concerning the U. S. Forest Service (which controls most the land area around here), and provides visitor information for the states of Idaho and Montana. To construct the Visitor Center, there was concurrent extensive widening of the highway to provide turnoff lanes, etc.
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…. Excerpt From USDA, National Forest Page.
…. LOLO PASS VISITOR CENTER
[Page shows at top, a good Photograph of the Lolo Visitor Pass Visitor Center in the summer.]
….The Lolo Pass Visitor Center serves as one of the many historical landmarks off Highway 12, the Lewis and Clark Highway, bordering Montana and Idaho. The facility is located in the area where Lewis and Clark crossed over the Lolo Pass in the Bitterroot Mountains. The Lolo Pass Visitor Center and Rest Area is located along the Nez Perce National Historic Trail and is one of the designated sites of Nez Perce National Historical Park.
,,,,The buildings were a part of the Old Mud Creek ranger station near Lolo Hot Springs in 1923. In 1977 they were moved to Lolo Pass and restored to meet the increased demands of an information center. The visitor center displays information on the Lewis and Clark journey across the Bitterroot Mountains and the 1877 flight of the Nez Perce Indians and tells historical, natural, and general information about the area.
,,,,The facility currently includes an interpretive center, warming hut, 24-hour restroom, snowmobile parking lot, parking for other recreationists, and a 30-minute outer parking lot for larger commercial vehicles and other rest stop vehicles. You will find cross-country ski and snowmobile trails as well as a snowshoe trail for your winter recreation enjoyment. While recreating, you can stop in the warming hut for a cup of hot chocolate, tea or coffee, in front of a comforting warm fire. Winter season is quite busy as the Lolo Pass area serves as a major trail head for cross-country skiing and snowmobiling.
....The visitor center sells parking permits and carries maps and winter usage information for visitors.
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…. This Map Shows => The Nez Perce National Historic Trail, which follows the route taken by a large band of the Nez Perce Indian tribe in 1877 during their attempt to escape death from US Calvary. AFTER this Map Comes Up, You Will See That This Trail is (somewhat parallel to and), a bit North of US-12, trending Southwest From Lolo Pass.
….Please see additional information below.
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Concerning The Nez Perce National Historic Trail, Our ZMM Facebook Page Has Information + Added Links To More Good Information + An Excellent Historic Trails Map, + This Summary =>
….On October 5th, 1877, Chief Joseph surrendered his band of Nez Perce to the US cavalry only 40 miles from escape across the Canadian border, making his eloquent and famous "From where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever" statement. However, Chief Joseph did continue to fight for his people, struggling against exile and reservation conditions as an advocate and a voice of conscience. The epic flight of the Nez Perce is detailed here, covering over ~1700 miles. The path of the Nez Perce is eerily similar to a reverse of Pirsig's motorcycle ride, sharing the same path in Idaho at White Bird Canyon where the first battle with US Cavalry took place, and then through Lolo Pass, and later through Yellowstone Park. Today, this route is commemorated as the Nez Perce National Historic Trail.
…. Please See Next Blue Link Above => For Additional Internet Links, That Go To Good Additional Information, AND A Very Detailed Map of Historic Trails, In Early Idaho & Montana.

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THIS MOTORCYCLE ENTHUSIAST’S PHOTO, SHOWS THE CORRECT IDEA!
…This Gets Us Thinking Of The Road Ahead => Which Goes … Twisty Windy … Way Way Down Down !! …

The Thrill Of Motor-Cycling The ZMM Route On Down From Lolo Pass =>
……Way On Down The “Twisty Road”, Along By The Lochsa River, In A Deep Canyon.
…At Fifteen Miles Ahead, The ZMM Narrator Says =>
…… “ … The Blacktop Winds Down And Down …. Not Too Fast On These Curves. …” .
[ After camping along a woodsy logging road, next morning Narrator cheerfully continues => ]
…. “ [Chris] gets on and in low gear we follow the logging road down to where it meets the blacktop again. Before we start on it I take one last look back up. Nice. A nice spot. From here the blacktop winds down and down.
….Long Chautauqua today. One that I’ve been looking forward to during the whole trip.
….Second gear and then third. Not too fast on these curves. Beautiful sunlight on these forests….“ (Cont.Next)

At Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.
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Above You See What The ZMM Narrator Says About The Road Ahead.
….Below, Three Motorcycle Enthusiasts, Have Their OWN Accolades! =>
…A} This route covers one of the most beautiful sections of the Lewis & Clark Trail as it winds through the Rocky Mountains of Idaho and Montana. As you ride through the Lolo national forest, look for whitewater rafts on the Locsha and Selway rivers. You'll also see numerous steaming hot springs flowing down the hills along the way. Watch out for deer and mountain goats crossing the highway at random intervals.
….You have all seen the photos of the sign that says "Curves next 67 miles...This is the road! One of the best motorcycle roads in the country with lots of sweeping curves and a few tight ones. There is little traffic and excellent road surfaces. A rock solid 5 of 5 plus is more like it
... The same sign that says Curves ahead says no services next 75 miles. Make sure you fill up in Kooskia or in Lolo before entering this highway because there's nothing but trees, rivers and twisty roads for lots of miles!
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..B) …[A] riverside route along the Clearwater River up to Powell and then 13 miles to the top of the [Lolo] pass. On a bike this is considered to be a must-do ride and the teaser lies just outside of Kooskia (koo -kee) with the infamous "Winding Road Next 99 Miles."
….That number alone should get you thinking about fuel, an issue easily resolved, even for low range bikes like a Sportster. Gas up in Kamiah (kam-ee-eye) or Lowell and then in Powell at Lochsa (lawk-saw) Lodge.
…The ride up to the pass is a never ending series of twisties. While fun, you won't find much rhythm to them. The good news is there are plenty of broken yellow lines which provide ample passing zones for the times you come upon a slow RV or other vehicle .
… Many riders hit the pass and simply turn the bike around – thus missing the best part of the trip – the Montana side! It's not often you get to ride a motorcycle at 75 mph legally on corners that were made to be taken at 75 mph, so this section is not to be missed. You can ride all the way down to the town of Lolo and continue into Missoula for lunch. A tasty sandwich at Cafe Dolce does the trick.
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..C) We headed south for Grangeville, and then took ID 13 north to Kooksia, which was a pleasant surprise, very twisty. Then we took the Lewis and Clark highway over Lolo Pass. But on the way up to Lolo Pass, what a road! This road is designated as US12, and also referred to as The Wild & Scenic River Corridor. This is a great road, with very little traffic. At the beginning of the road, I saw a sign that said "77 miles of mountain road ahead", now that's what I really like!
….This road is well maintained, runs right next to the Lochsa River, had at least 8 turns per mile, and just goes on and on. We stopped about half way up this road, and found a small beach next to the river. We parked the bike and spent some time in the sun, surrounded by lots of butterflies! Very relaxing. Also, the weather was beautiful, with temperatures in the 80's, and not a hint of rain.….
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Although The /\ Above /\ Photo Is Totally Appropriate For This Stretch of ZMM Route, Nothing Like It Is Near The Top Of Lolo Pass. ….This Is True For Both =>
….a) My 2002 ZMM Research Findings AND
….b) Google Street View (Nov 15), also fails to show any buildings like this near top of Lolo Pass.
Most likely this sign is at the end of the “99 Miles” close to Kooksia, ID, ….So … Can Anyone Send an email Re: Where this photo was taken?

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The Tight Right Curve Ahead, Where The Road Will Follow A Ravine Edge, Curving Down, Down, Down.
….I arrived at Lolo Pass In the Early Morning, And As Seen In /\ Above /\ Photo, Saw Fog Which Was Really Part of a Low Cloud Squeezing Up Over the Pass From the West.

….“At Lolo Pass …. (Cont.next)

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border, Heading Into Idaho. Here is where the road turns to go down, down, down!!!
….As I took this photo 2002, I was reminded of a photo (on the Internet), of a sign I had discovered months previously, which said =>
…. **** “WARNING: NO Services for 75 miles!” **** ….
….Wilderness indeed! Be prepared! Fools rush in where angels fear to tread! Remember your ZMM Maintenance, and like a Boy Scout, “Be Well Prepared”!

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In This Photo, Let’s Visualize It’s Showing =>
….The ZMM Narrator and Chris Talking To Mr. & Mrs. “High-Miler“.

…. “As we leave we see the cross-country man by the cycles with his wife and we say hello. He is from Missouri, and the relaxed look on his wife’s face tells me they’ve been having a good trip.
.... The man asks, "Were you bucking that wind up to Missoula too?"
.... I nod. "It must have been thirty or forty miles an hour."
.... "At least," he says.
.... We talk about camping for a while and they comment on how cold it is. They never dreamed in Missouri it would be this cold in the summer, even in the mountains. They’ve had to buy clothes and blankets.
.... "It shouldn’t be too cold tonight," I say. "We’re only at about five thousand feet."
.... Chris says, "We’re going to camp just down the road."
.... "At one of the campsites?"
…. "No, just somewhere off the road," I say.
.... They show no inclination of wanting to join us, so after a pause …. “(Cont.Next)

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border. My Rand-McNally Road Atlas gives the elevation at Lolo Pass is 5,233 ft, which somewhat agrees with my GPS seen at WayPt below.
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…DATE-LINE: June 21, 2021: By Henry Gurr.

Why Do The Previous Four Photos, And The Next Four Photos Have So Very Much Information About This Area Of Idaho Called “The Lolo Trail Corridor”?

EXPLANATION
….I believe it is important for the ZMM Reader (you) => A) Should fully know the History, Sights, & Scenes, of the territory passed through, on the ZMM Route. AND B) Should learn as much as time allows about such territory.
….So, as you read ZMM, or Travel The ZMM Route => You should become familiar with where are the surrounding Historical Events & Landmarks relative to present day highways & forest roads, and relative to what the ZMM Narrator says. AND thus be able to look (with full understanding) at Satellite Views & Topographic (Topo) Maps.
….The Area Southwest of Lolo Pass, known as the ”Lolo Corridor”, has many interesting & important Historical Events & Landmarks. But these are both complex & distributed over a large area.
….THUS, I believe it is important to help your learning, by providing So Very Much Information About This Area, AND organizing it for easiest comprehension.


.BOTTOM LINE: ALL THIS INFORMATION IS TO HELP YOU =>
….UNDERSTAND THE LANDSCAPE AND THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
………PLEASE TAKE TIME TO STUDY AND ENJOY!!
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Down, Down, We Go!

….“ …. I press the starter button and we wave off.” (Cont.Next)

Lolo Pass, MT & ID Border.
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JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO **NOW** TRY IT => This Google Street View (GSV) OFFERS “A DO-IT-YOUR-OWN-SELF” => PREVIEW OF THE **SECOND** NEXT PHOTO => RIGHT CLICK AND SELECT “NEW TAB”
…..*****…..
This GSV Gives A 360 Degree Full Circle Panorama, AND Can In Addition =>
…A) Look Farther, Higher AND Lower, On The Scene, Plus
…B) Offers The Ability To Zoom, Magnify, And See Better, Distant Details!!
INSTRUCTIONS =>
…After This Google Street View (GSV) Comes Up => Click the Google Street View Image, WHERE you want the “VIEW” To go. => Thus you can Successively Click-Click-Click and “GSV Drive” along the ZMM Route road, that you see on your computer screen. You may “GSV Drive”, either up to the winter-snowy TOP at Lolo Pass, OR down this canyon, which also happens to be “An Oh WOW! High ZMM Quality Experience Motor Cycle Ride”!!!
...AND you can “Click&Drag” the Image on screen in any direction, for a better view.

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Remember: Click On Photo Several Times To Get Largest View.
….This Sign Posted By USDA National Forest Service, At Top Says “Checkerboard Legacy”, and Discuss The History Of The National Forest, That Is Shown In Map Seen Lower Right.
….This “Checkerboard Legacy”, Is About The History Of The National Forest All Around This Sign.
….As You Will See In NEXT Photo, This /\ Above /\ Sign Is The Fourth Sign At My WayPoint = 264

….“ … After five or ten miles.... “ (Cont.Next)

Three miles after the top of Lolo Pass At MT & ID Border. (GPS = 46.5953 -114.60013)

EXPLANATION:
…The existence of this “Checkerboard Legacy” Sign, became known to me, while I was looking for the presence any buildings along this stretch of road:
….I was doing a Google Street View “Drive”, click, click, down from Lolo Pass.
……AND the NEXT Photo shows what I saw here at WayPt =264, including the /\ Above /\ Photo of this “Fourth Sign”.
….But because GSV was not clear enough, just what the sign said was a mystery, until by pure accident, I found the Above /\ Photo posted, as an extra, on a Google Satellite View for Lochsa Lodge, which included ~300 photos added by interested persons.
….You will see two more of these ~300 photos in forthcoming photos.
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Remember: Click On Photo Several Times To Get Largest View.
.....*** THIS GOOGLE STREET VIEW SHOWS AS FOLLOWS *** =>
..A) A Bit Left Of Center Is => The Valley Scene Over The Lochsa River:
….((NOTE1: In the Strip Map at GSV bottom, you can discern => A) The Lochsa River and B) The Lewis & Clark’s “Rocky Point”, AND also C) Forest Road 109 which will lead the traveler to Road 500. D) And finally at far right, you see US-12, which here is the ZMM Route. E) The \Red PinPoint of course marks the location of the seen /\ Above /\ Google Street View. ))
….(( NOTE2: On the very long Forest Road 500 (which is the Lolo Trail), is where you can re-trace Lewis & Clark’s Torturous, Treacherous Sept 16, 1806 Journey Trail. This is where they Experienced Stormy, Snow Packed, Cold Conditions FAR WORSE than what you see , in the /\ Above /\ Nov 2015 View!! ))

..B) At Top & To Right Of The /\ Above /\ Mentioned Lochsa Valley Scene, Partly Obscured, Is The Crest Of The Mountains, Along Which Runs The Rightly Famous & VERY Historical “Lolo Trail” (The Next Photo Shows A Better View Of This Crest.) )
..C) Low In The \ Above /\ Photo, You See Four Signs Respectively Describing Local Natural Idaho Scenery & History =>
…..1) The Two Signs At Lower Left Look Like Discussion, With Photos, Of What Can Be Seen In The Surrounding Natural Landscape.
…..2) The Third Sign Numbered 344, Is Shown In Next Photo, Where You Can Fully Read It Close Up,.
…..3) At Lower Right Is The Fourth Sign (Which You Saw Previous Photo Close Up). This Is By The USDA National Forest Service. On Sign’s Top It Says “Checkerboard Legacy”, and Discusses What Is Shown In Map Seen On Sign’s Lower Right. Overall, This Sign Discusses The History Of National Forest Area Around The Sign.

….“ … After five or ten miles.... ” (Cont.Next)

Three miles after top of Lolo Pass At MT & ID Border. (GPS = 46.5953 -114.60013) NOTE: In The Google Street View at location of the /\ Above /\ Photo, the Sign is are not clear enough to read even at maximum zoom. Can anyone send Email With Clear Close-Up Photos, of each Sign?.
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SINCE MOSTLY CAN’T READ, THESE 4 SIGNS =>
….PLEASE ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING LINKS AS A MORE EXTENSIVE INTRODUCTION FOR EACH SIGN, LEFT TO RIGHT: (Each Link Has Photos & Maps)
….1) This Area Of Idaho Is Called “The Lolo Trail Corridor”.
The Lolo Trail Corridor: This Rugged Mountainous Landscape, Is Just North of The ZMM Route (Which Here Is US-12), And Is Deeply Loaded With Many Histori8cal Points of Interest Re a) Early Native Americans.(Nez Perce) and b) Lewis & Clark Expedition.
….2) Our Adventure Traveling “The Lolo Motorway”, Which Mostly Follows The “Lolo Trail”, Which Is Also Close To The Travel Route Followed By Lewis & Clark.
….All This May Be Experienced By Driving => “The Lolo Motorway” => Where You Will See The Important & Historic Lolo Trail Lolo Motorway Portion Of Our Loop Trip Through Idaho Wilderness. By Terry And Simone Kincaid, August 2-August 4, 2014. AFTER This Page Comes Up => You Can Read Discussion (Plus Many Good Photos & Map), Of What It Is Like To Drive “The Lolo Motorway”. Also given is how they accessed this road.
….3) A National Forest Service Summary & Explanation of => The Lewis and Clark Expedition Along => The “Lolo Trail” & The “Lolo Motorway”: Travel Excerpts From L&C Dairy / Journal, A Somewhat Day By Day Report, Across The Lolo Trail, In September 1805 And June 1806. AFTER this page comes up you can read about => The [historical] sites [that] are listed and numbered east to west, as you will find them, on your travels across the Lolo Trail and the Lewis and Clark route along the Lolo Motorway. (Sites are numbered on the map [given]. Also given are very specific instructions as to how to access this road, from either the East or West ends. )
….4) To Learn More About The Lewis & Clark Expedition, Read A VERY Interesting Day By Day, Summary Synopsis Sketch, Of Their Journey, with Excerpts From L&C Journal Writing, Supplemented With Images Of Maps Sketched by Lewis or Clark. AFTER this page comes up, you will read that L&C are asking Native Americans how to “reach his relations”, meaning go into the high mountains of what we know as Eastern Idaho.
…HOW TO USE THIS LEWIS & CLARK EXPEDITION PAGE => : a) Upper Left Click To Go To The Previous Day AND b) Upper Right Click To Go To The Next Day. ( At Top => The URL line has 18050910 which means 1805 September 10.)
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This Photo Taken From Nearly Same Camera Location As Previous Google Street View, But Rotated Right ~45 degrees.
….It Shows A Summer View Similarly Of, The Highest Ridge Running Along The Horizon, Which Marks the Historic Lolo Trail, Well Used By Nez Perce Native Americans, And By Lewis & Clark.
….NOTE The closer mountain top to right of center, is NOT to be confused with The Prominent Mountain Lookout called by Lewis & Clark “Rocky Point”, which from here is located ~2.5 miles a bit North Of West. The Local History Sign, NEXT PHOTO, might lead the reader to wrongly believe, that the /\ Above /\ seen closer mountain top is “Rocky Point”.

….“On the road the shadows of the mountain trees are long now. ” (Cont.Next)

Three miles after top of Lolo Pass At MT & ID Border. (GPS = 46.5953 -114.60013)
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……WHY This Area Of Idaho Is Called “The Lolo Trail Corridor”.
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NOTE1: Please Remember => The Local History Sign, shown in 11th Previous Photo. This sign was back where US-12 Turned West From US-93.
NOTE2: This Sign Was Introducing => “The Historic Lolo Trail”, the location of which happens to be seen in The /\ Above Photo, and is marked by => The Highest Ridge Running Along The Horizon. The below is COPIED FROM THAT SIGN and very well explains => WHY this area of Idaho Is called => “The Lolo Trail Corridor”.=>
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…… “The Lolo Trail was different from other East – West 18th Century Trails. It did not witness a flood of cross-country migration. There were no covered wagons here.

….”Unmapped and shifting over time, it penetrated much formidable terrain that it was only made passible only by those that had travelled it before, with a knowledge passed down from generation to generation. Long before it became an explorer’s route, it was an American Indian trail. Lewis and Clark would have been lost here without the aid of these Indian guides. On June 27, 1806, William Clark described these mountains as:

…. “ … Stupendous principally covered with snow like that on which we stood; we are entirely serounded with them it would have Seemed impossible to have escaped … “

….”The Bitterroot Mountains were the most difficult part of a trail [any trail or road] that connected the plains of the Columbia River with those of the Missouri. Its unyielding topography and dense timber stubbornly resisted “improvement” for wheeled vehicles until the 1960’s. And try as they did. Railroads were never able to penetrate the mountains to the west. U.S. Highway 12 roughly parallels the Lolo Trail, which is mostly above you, atop the ridges and saddles, North or South of the highway. “
….”Except for changes in the vegetation, the Lolo Trail looks much like it did hundreds of years ago. Watch for other interpretive signs that will tell you more of the story. If you do, you’ll understand why Congress chose to preserve the settings as the Nee Moo Poo National Historic Trail and the Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail, which together make up the Lolo Trail.”
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….The FOLLOWING 3 Photos Will Help You FURTHER UNDERSTAND The Sights & Scenes AND The Historical Importance Of The Lolo Trail Corridor.

…FIRST Next Photo:
…… =>The Third Local History Sign At WayPt = 264k, which describes the mountains seen in the distance of /\ Above /\ Photo. (This was the Third Sign Shown & Mentioned in the Google Street View, of previous photo.)
…SECOND Next Photo:
…….A Specially Annotated Topographic (Topo) Map, intended to help you know the Location of (& Explain) => What various WebPages and various Local History Signs Happen To Describe.
…THIRD Next Photo:
…… The ZMM Narrator’s Logging Road For Camping. Plus An Explanation Of =>.A Rather Special National Forest Dirt Road, Known As the “Lolo Motor Way”,
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Remember To Click Several Times For Largest View: Then You Can Clearly Read => This Sign’s Describing the Local History, of The Mountains Seen In The Distance Of The PREVIOUS Photo.
….SIDE NOTE: Apparently This LARGE Number 344, Serves To Identify At Long Distance, What Sign This Is In Idaho Literature. This Could Help Persons In Vehicles Who Have Idaho Travel Literature, Keyed To That Number.

….“After five or ten miles.... ” (Cont.Next)

Three miles after top of Lolo Pass At MT & ID Border. (GPS = 46.5953 -114.60013)
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NEW TOPIC =>
….The Three Linked Satellite Views Given BELOW, Will Help You To FURTHER Understand & Know The Present Day Highways & Forest Roads Of => ….Approximately Same Territory As The Specially Trail Dotted Red Marked TopoZone Map, You Will See In NEXT Photo.
…… Each Satellite View, Shows Forest Roads & Important Landmarks, West & South Of Lolo Pass, Known As ”Lolo Corridor”.
..A) Satellite View, Where The Red Pinpoint Marks What Has Been Named For Unstated Reasons, As “Indian Post Office” (7036 feet),The Highest Of The Lewis & Clark Expedition. “The Corps passed the “Indian Post Office” location on September 16, 1805, and camped near it on night of June 27, 1806”. This is West-Southwest of Lolo Pass.
…NOTE1: AFTER above Blue Link comes up => At Upper Left of the Google Map, Click To Expand Side Panel => Then At lower right, Click on the Photo => To See Seven Very Nice Photos, At or around the “Indian Post Office” area. In the Larger Photos that come up, click on the > or < to go to the next Photo.
…NOTE2: To learn more, you might Google => The above passage in “quotes”, for finding an entire interesting page, about the “Indian Post Office”.
…NOTE3: The Satellite Views B) & C), below also include location of the “Indian Post Office”.
…NOTE4: For more Information and Photos => Also see and read (in text ABOVE), Items 2) & 3) which are under => AN INTRODUCTION, WITH PHOTOS & MAPS.

..B) Satellite View Of Numbered Forest Roads West-South of Lolo Pass. …. Also seen Is “Rocky Point”, a prominent landmark, especially for Lewis & Clark Expedition: This was possibly a side trip for them to eventually go up to a very high lookout-point, for them to better survey the landscape for their (future & past) trail progress. Also be sure to note Massive Relatively Treeless Mountain Ridge, Lower Left Of This View.
….Red Pinpoint Marks “Powell Junction”, which is a waypoint, along the dirt forest road known as “The Lolo Motorway” => See Next Below For More Information. .

..C) .This Satellite View Fits & Adds To Above B), By Explicitly Showing The ~119 Mile Rough, Rocky Bottom-Scraping, Dirt Single Lane Forest Road, Known As the “Lolo Motor Way”.
VIEWING INSTRUCTIONS =>
….1) AFTER this Satellite View comes up, zoom-in on the Red Pinpoint, until you read words “Lolo Motor Way” (many places on the road itself), AND 500 in white rectangles.
….2) NEXT => ClickDrag Map trending to East-North East => To see words successively => Sherman Pass, Bald Mountain, Bald Mountain Creek, 12 Mile Saddle, Castle Butte Outlook, Moccasin Peak, Indian Post Office**, Spring Mountain**, North is Cayuse Junction, Powell Junction, Rocky Point**, Junction with 107 in White Rectangles, which leads South, where it connects with US-12. (Persons who want to drive these roads, may need to use a GPS. )
…3) Trending West-Southwest you will see successively => Sherman Saddle**, Willow Ridge, Bowl Butte, Green Saddle, Weltas Meadow Campground**, Campground, Rocky Ridge, Canyon Junction, and apparent end of the “Lolo Motor Way”,
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ALSO SEE NEXT PHOTO OF => Topographical Map For Explanation Of =>
….The National Forest Dirt Road, Known As the “Lolo Motor Way”.

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A Specially Annotated Topographic (Topo) Map Intended To Help Explain (And Show The Location of) => What PREVIOUS & FOLLOWING Local History Signs Describe =>
…REMEMBER: SEVERAL TIMES CLICK PHOTO TO GET LARGEST VIEW.
…...SHOWN IN MAP ARE THESE AS FOLLOWS =>
…A) SINGLE RED DOTS MARK => The Lewis & Clark July 1805 Expedition Westward Route, which they were shown by Nez Perce Native Americans Guides, along millennia old, existing well used trails, long used by their Tribe.
…B) SERIES OF DOUBLE RED DOTS MARK => The Lewis & Clark eastward return September 1806 Expedition Route. They found their previous July Route blocked by deep snow, and again with Nez Perce Guides, went south to Lower Elevations.
…C) UNDERLINED BY GREEN ARE =>
…..1) Upper Right => US-12 Going Over Lolo Pass.
……2) Mid Height, Slightly Right of Center: => Powell Junction, a prominent way point on “The Lolo Motorway”, additionally described both in the PREVIOUS & NEXT Photo.
……3) Mid Height, Right of Center => A high prominent mountain lookout called by Lewis & Clark “Rocky Point” => Which Is located ~2.5 miles a bit north of west of the Local History Sign, of PREVIOUS & NEXT Photos.
……4) Henry Gurr’s WayPt = 264 => Which Is Where Previous Google Street View Photo was taken, AND is the location of the Local History Sign of The PREVIOUS & NEXT Photos. Plus =>
……5) You see the series of Double Red Dots go by WayPt = 264, which marks the Lewis & Clark Eastward Return September 1806 Expedition Route, This is what is stated on The Local History Sign of the NEXT Photo. NOTE: The Local History Sign of the PREVIOUS Photo describes how Lewis & Clark, on their return from the Pacific Ocean Coast, came through here September 16, 1805.
……6) Bottom right of center: Colt Killed Creek Campsite.
……7) Upper right corner: Packer Meadow Camp.
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Topo Map Center ~17 miles WSW of Lolo Pass At MT & ID Border. (GPS ~= 46.574469, -114.923440)
…. Click Here To View ON-LINE, the Same Topo Map (As You See /\ Above /\ ). => But With Added Ability That You Can Zoom-In And Close-Up See Fine Details, Or On Your Own, Further Explore “The Lolo Corridor” Landscape!
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Details Concerning The Making Of /\ Above /\ Topographic (Topo) Map.
PURPOSE OF THIS MAP:
…In reading the Previous 5 Photos, you have seen that => This Area of Idaho West & South Of Lolo Pass, Known As ”The Lolo Corridor”, has had many interesting & important Historical Events & Landmarks. But these are both complex & distributed over a large area.
….The /\ Above /\ Topo Map will help you to know where these Historical Events & Landmarks are located relative to present day highways & forest roads.
….Please know that the 3 Satellite Views, available in the PREVIOUS Photo, show approximately same territory as /\ Above /\ Topozone Map.
.. MY SOURCE OF LEWIS & CLARK HISTORIC LOLO TRAIL INFORMATION.
….The following steps will show you what I used, for approximate placement of the Red Dots (& Double Dots) onto the /\ Above /\ Topo =>
…1) Google … Lewis & Clark Expedition… . and bring up practically any of the National Park Service’s (NPS) Pages. For Example => This Lolo Pass Visitor Information Center will work.
…2) Lower down you will find a map labeled => “Lewis and Clark NHT Visitor Centers and Museums”.
…3) Click on ‘Full Screen” (map upper right corner) and Zoom-In until you can see the Eastern Border of Idaho.
…4) You will see many Black Disks With White (h) => Mouse hover successively on these until you find the one that says => “Colt Killed Creek Campsite”.
…5) Remember this disk, and keep it center screen => While you Zoom-In until you can see => Yellow US-12 between a Upper And Lower Green Routes.
…6) ClickDrag map, until Black Disk With White (h) that says => “Packer Meadow” is upper right. .
…7) In looking at these Green Routes => It takes a long time to discern (from the lighter & darker map shading) where the valley stream bottom lines are, as distinct from the ridge top lines. But after a while, you will see that the NPS Map Green Travel Lines, at most places, run exactly along ridge top lines. I would have thought that along streams would be more easily travelled, but not so in this area.
…8) Now the Upper And Lower Green Routes on your screen, show how I was able to successively estimate, where to place Red Dots (& Double Dots) onto /\ Above /\ Topo Map”.
…9) However, if you look closely, you will see that my Red Dots (& Double Dots) On The /\ Above /\ Topo Map, have a somewhat different relative placement, compared to the NPS Map. This is partly due to error on my part, and also partly due to the NPS Map (or Topo Map) being unclear. (Altogether, I wish I had time to do a better job.)
…10) As is also mostly seen in the NPS Map, The Green Travel Lines are along of Ridge Top Lines. And as you can see, I have likewise placed these Red Dots, along corresponding Ridge Top Lines. And in many places this is ALSO along a somewhat darker solid black line, which means a road. This is a good result, as will be explained in 12) below. (Similarly for dotted line cases, which means a known trail.)
…11) To be able to make an accurate map of exactly where Lewis and Clark actually travelled, would require deep expert study of their Journals & Sketched Maps. And of course we wonder how much the NPS Service Map accurately reflects such study & close research. But there is every reason to think the NPS Map is fairly accurate, because, from my limited study => I can see how the NPS Map Upper (June 1805) Green Travel Line, very closely “fits” => the Satellite Views showing Forest Road 500 (which is also the Lolo Motorway).
…..12) This Above-mentioned closely “fits” is almost a guarantee since =>.We can be relatively certain that “The Lolo Motorway”, follows on (or close to for the most part) the Original Road by Native American Nimiipuu Tribes (the Nez Perce Tribes),.from the Lolo Region to Buffalo Country. This Trail, now also designated ”The Nee Mee Poo National Historic Trail”, remains accurately known, because, through all the centuries, it was functional and thus would be used and reused, continuously keeping it physically stamped on the landscape, and marked in living memory, generation to generation, of where it was exactly located, for use again.
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This Dirt Road Is The Most Likely Candidate for The Narrator’s Logging Road.

…. [ “On the road the shadows of the mountain trees are long now. After five or ten miles we see some logging road turnoffs and head up.” ]
….“The logging road is sandy, so I keep in low gear with feet out to prevent a spill. We see side roads off the main logging road but I stay on the main one until after about a mile we come to some bulldozers. That means they’re still logging here. We turn back and head up one of the side roads. After about half a mile we come to a tree fallen across the road. That’s good. That means this road has been abandoned.” (Cont.Next)

The First Logging Road Turnoff, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Starting at Lolo Pass, the highway down was a bulldozed flat area grade, on an exceedingly steep mountainside, hence no practical places for a logging road. Thus, after driving down from top of Lolo Pass, this was the first available turnoff I found. It was a right turn and was pretty well at the bottom of the steep US-12 grade from Lolo Pass. I vaguely remember that the stream was close to the road at left.
… Here two different logging roads diverged from, both agreeing with the Narrator’s “dirt road.” Also this road is very sandy agreeing with the Narrators “dirt road.“

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NEW TOPIC: An Expanded Explanation of “The Lolo Motorway”, Which Has Been Mentioned In Previous Photos.
…The National Forest Road, known as “The Lolo Motorway”, was created in 1935 by the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). Most of this work was done upon => “A previous 1866 Widening Of The Lolo Trail, and Currently Can Be Traveled By Smaller Back-Country Vehicles.”
…NOTE: The 1935 Name “Motorway” does NOT mean the same as might be expected by today’s paved highway standards..
…On a Satellite View such as discussed above => This “The Lolo Motorway” is marked as 500 in White Rectangle, as seen in the below Blue Link, which is a repeat from a Previous Photo) => This Satellite View Explicitly Shows The ~119 Mile Rough, Rocky Bottom-Scraping, Dirt, Single Lane, Forest Road, Known As the “Lolo Motorway”.
VIEWING INSTRUCTIONS =>
….1) AFTER this Satellite View comes up, zoom-in on the Red Pinpoint, until you read words “Lolo Motorway” (many places on the road itself), AND see 500 in White Rectangles.
….2) NEXT => ClickDrag Map trending East-North East => To see words successively => Sherman Pass, Bald Mountain, Bald Mountain Creek, 12 Mile Saddle, Castle Butte Outlook, Moccasin Peak, Indian Post Office**, Spring Mountain**, North is Cayuse Junction, Powell Junction, Rocky Point**, Junction with 107 In A White Rectangle, which leads South, where Connects with US-12. (Persons who want to drive these roads, may need to use a GPS. )
…3) Trending West-South-West you will see successively => Sherman Saddle**, Willow Ridge, Bowl Butte, Green Saddle, Weltas Meadow Campground**, Campground, Rocky Ridge, Canyon Junction, And Apparent End Of “Lolo Motorway”
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NOW Because =>
….A) This Road Offers Views of What Lewis & Clark Expedition Experienced, and Passes Many Prominent Landmarks (Especially For L & C, such as (3 inches below) marked by **.) And
….B) Since this road travels much of The Historical Native American Lolo Trail and otherwise similar landscape,
….C) Thus a person wanting “The Lolo Trail Experience”, might therefore try this road.
….D) We can be relatively certain that “The Lolo Motorway”, follows on (or close to for the most part) the Original Road by Native American Nimiipuu Tribes (the Nez Perce Tribes), from the Lolo Region.to Buffalo Country. This Trail, now also designated ”The Nee Mee Poo National Historic Trail”, remains accurately known, because, through all the centuries, it was functional and thus would be used and reused, continuously keeping it physically stamped on the landscape, and marked in living memory, generation to generation, of where it was exactly located, for use again.

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Although This Is Clearly a Logging Road, It May Or May Not ,Have Been the Narrator’s.

…[.“The logging road is sandy, so I keep in low gear with feet out to prevent a spill. We see side roads off the main logging road but I stay on the main one until after about a mile we come to some bulldozers. That means they’re still logging here. We turn back and head up one of the side roads. After about half a mile we come to a tree fallen across the road. That’s good. That means this road has been abandoned.“ ] (Cont.Next)

Alternate Dirt Logging Road, Forested Mountains, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Starting at Lolo Pass, this was the second available turnoff I found. But as shown /\ Above /\ Photo, this logging road has logs, a view of the highway, and looks less like what the Narrator calls “dirt road.” For these reasons, this is less likely to be the Narrator’s choice. ..
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….*** (Interesting Added Information About Lewis & Clark.)***

…. “Nearly All The Men Sick!” Lewis and Clark Meet [And Eat] The Camas Root. By Frances Hunter July 26, 2011.
….But when The Lewis & Clark Corps stumbled half-starved from the Rocky Mountains and onto the Weippe Prairie in September 1805, they were ready to eat anything. It was then that the Nez Perce introduced them to a new Native American staple: the camas root. Click Here To Read This Very Good Article, With 5 Good Photos Of Camas. For Suggesting This Article, thanks go to David J Matos, Our ZMMQ Facebook Creator, Who Knows Lots About Lewis & Clark!

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This Photo Can Serve to Illustrate the Narrator’s View, Since all the Mountains In This Area Look About the Same.

….“I say, "This is it" to Chris, and he gets off. We’re on a slope that allows us to see over unbroken forest for miles.
.... Chris is all for exploring, but I’m so tired I just want to rest. "You go by yourself," I say.
... "No, you come along."
.... "I’m really tired, Chris. In the morning we’ll explore."
.... I untie the packs and spread the sleeping bags out on the ground. Chris goes off. I stretch out, and the tiredness fills my arms and legs. Silent, beautiful forest . .
.... In time Chris returns, and says he has diarrhea.
.. . "Oh," I say, and get up. "Do you have to change underwear?"
.... "Yes." He looks sheepish.
.... "Well, they’re in the pack by the front of the cycle. Change and get a bar of soap from the saddlebag and we’ll go down to the stream and wash the old underwear out." He’s embarrassed by the whole thing and now is glad to take orders.” (Cont.Next)

Dirt Logging Road, Forested Mountains, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Why does the Narrator always “press on down the road”, until so exhausted all he wants is “just want to rest”. ?
….AND Why does the Narrator ALWAYS THEN use his exhaustion to again not do what Chris wants, despite Chris repeated requests!

….In ZMM, There is no answer to just why this happens this way. We can suppose that Author Robert Pirsig wants us (as readers), to see this kind of dysfunctional Father – Son dynamic can happen in anyone’s life: Suggesting how this kind of problem may continue unsolved, but perhaps persons involved can finally realize how to find a way out.
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ZMM Research Examination => The Father & Son Relationship Closely Examined.
…. Click Here To Read => ZMM Research: The ZMM Narrator’s Treatment Of Chris, Both Good & Bad. … A Work In Progress, Yet To Be Completed.

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To See Robert Pirsig’ Original 1968 Photo Of Their Idaho Logging Road Campsite, Which Shows The Next Morning, With Chris Still Sleeping.
Right Click & Open New Tab, THEN Scroll Down To SECOND Album, Read Description, And Click on Photo For Small Photos. Click Any To View. The “Logging Road" Photo Is On Page <2> of Album That Comes Up. … After Viewing Pirsig Photo, Click Browser Back Arrow, Upper Left, To Return Here.
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The Way Down To The ZMM Narrator’s “Stream”.
…A South View From US-12 Toward The Lochsa River Is Shown In /\ Above /\ Photo.

….“The downward slope of the road makes our feet flop as we head toward the stream. Chris shows me some stones he’s collected while I’ve been sleeping. The pine smell of the forest is rich here. It’s turning cool and the sun is very low. The silence and the fatigue and the sinking of the sun depress me a little, but I keep it to myself."

Getting Down Near Lochsa River, Forested Mountains, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. But where is the “stream” the Narrator mentions after earlier saying =>

.“The logging road is sandy, ….We see side roads off the main logging road but I stay on the main one until after about a mile we come to some bulldozers. That means they’re still logging here. We turn back and head up one of the side roads. After about half a mile we come to a tree fallen across the road..“

…In looking at the TopoZone Map along US-12 down from Lolo Pass, there are not hardly any small streams marked near logging roads.
….So, from the above passage we can conclude it’s likely that Chris & Narrator walked South about 1.5 mile down to US-12, cross this highway and went beyond a bit more, to the Lochsa River. Thus, this is a best fit I can see, to reach the Narrator’s “stream”.

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Dense Douglas Fir Idaho Forest As Seen From US-12 Along the Lochsa River.

….In Chapter 23, the Narrator is having a bad nightmare, which concludes with =>

“ …. There must he some kind of mistake. Doesn’t he see that they need me? I plead with the figure that I have to speak to them. It’s not finished yet. I have to tell them things. But the figure in the shadows makes no sign he has even heard. .. "CHRIS! " I shout through the door. "I’LL SEE YOU!!"
.... The dark figure moves toward me threateningly, but I hear Chris’s voice, "Where? " faint and distant. He heard me! And the dark figure, enraged, draws a curtain over the door.
.... Not the mountain, I think. The mountain is gone. "AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN!! " I shout.
.... And now I am standing in the deserted ruins of a city all alone. The ruins are all around me endlessly in every direction and I must walk them alone.”

….Thus ends Chapter 23 …. in a scene of Complete Ruin ….Totally alone, helpless, & hopeless!

Dirt Logging Road, Forested Mountains, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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…Associated with the Narrator’s ever increasing daytime fatigue and depression, his terrible dreams increasingly, terrifyingly, haunt his nights.

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