July 2024 Added: … A Close-Up Front Entrance View Of The Original Rough & Ready Lochsa Lodge, Built In 1928 By Swedish Immigrant Andrew Erickson As A Hunting And Trapping Retreat.
REPEATING PREVIOUS PHOTOS
…And Judging From The General Appearance, This Likely Shows The Lochsa Lodge & Restaurant Building, That Robert Pirsig & Chris Experienced in 1968.
….[“ We pull the cycle under a tree, shut off the ignition and gas and walk inside the main lodge..”]
Lochsa Lodge, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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THE MOST USEFUL ONLINE RESEARCH RESULTS FOR LOCHSA LODGE => By David Matos.
… Click Here For => A Post From The Local USFS About The Old Locha Lodge Burning Down On Feb 28, 2001. Photos Were Also Shared By Commenters, which I downloaded, particularly a photo by USFS worker Roger Averbeck, who worked there the summer of 1981 through 1982 (at least).
Interesting Lochsa Lodge History Found =>
…The Lochsa Lodge was built by Andrew Erickson, a Swedish immigrant, fur trapper and hunting guide, in 1928. According to the FB post. Erickson and a brother had a home near Missoula, but Andrew Erickson preferred to work an 80-mile long trap line in the Lochsa River Area. Maude Erickson, his wife, brought business sense to the concern and made it profitable. Steve Russell (see links below), was later owner of the Locha Lodge (1950s). The Lodge also served as a refuge for motorists driving through in inclement weather, some sleeping on the lobby sofa.
…The University of Montana’s Mansfield Library holds several photos from Bud Moore, including audio having commentary by him, posted online (see link in RESEARCH, next photo). More interesting photos may be in the Henry J. Vichy photographs collection, also at the University of Montana’s Mansfield Library. The most interesting find is Bud Moore’s book The Lochsa
Story: Land Ethics in the Bitterroot Mountains. This book will have the best information on the story of the Lochsa Lodge, and surrounding areas, I believe.
…A few affordable copies are available for purchase online. See eBay link below.
Below Are Relevant & Interesting Links.
Book “The Lochsa Story” By Bud Moore.
… /www.hcn.org/issues/issue-104/how-the-west-was-destroyed/ "> Click Here For Descriptions & History Of The Lochsa Area Of Idaho..
William “Bud” Moore: An Appreciation:
… Click Here For The Accomplishments And Thoughts Of Bud Moore.
Links To More About Steve Russell, Who Was Later Owner Of Lochsa Lodge.
… Click Here For A Short Biography Of Steve Russell.
Click Here For Story & Photo => WWII U. S. Army Surplus M29s, Weasel owned by Steve Russell, a tracked vehicle originally used for snow operations, but used by Russell to help with the spruce bark beetle project and logging, in the Lochsa Area.
… Click Here For A Short Biography Of Robert Earl Anderson, Jr, Which Has Photos Of Steve Russell, Some Of Which Are At Lochsa Lodge Facility..
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL => “Steve Russell And Weasel At Lolo Pass”.
…This Shows a small image of “Steve Russell And Weasel At Lolo Pass”, With Added Description Of how Russell and Others Used These Old U S Army Tracked Vehicles.
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL=> “Swede Cut Sale On The Lochsa”.
…This Shows a small image of the forest near Lolo Pass”, With Added Description Of how Steve Russell, owner of the Lochsa Lodge, and others purchased Spruce Bark Beetle infested trees.
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…With Thanks For /\Above/\ Photo, To Roger Averbeck, A USFS Worked At The National Forest Powell Ranger Station The Summer Of 1981 Through 1982, At Least. The Ranger Station Is A Mile Further East On Powell Road.
…MESSAGE TO ROGER AVERBECK: Do you know the name of the person in your /\above/\ photo? ..... And, belatedly, please give us permission to post this photo. …. Reply to me > HenryG_USCA.edu
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Saturday, July 20, 2024: …A Panorama View Of The New Lochsa Lodge, And Surroundings.
…After The Original Lodge Building Burned Down In 2001, Enough Guest Tourist Trade Had Developed To Justify A Really Grand Architect’s Dream New Lodge Building, Completed In May 2002, Seen In Above Photo, AND Following Two Photos.
Lochsa Lodge, US-12, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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… Click Here For A Satellite View Of Lochsa Lodge Buildings & Driveways. Also Seen Is Powel Road Which Leads To The Near By Ranger Station Buildings Faintly Seen. …. AFTER This Satellite View Comes Up, Click Upper Left For Over ~300 Photos Of Lochsa Lodge Resort
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FROM PREVIOUS PHOTO => CONTINUED WITH => THE MOST USEFUL ONLINE RESEARCH RESULTS FOR LOCHSA LODGE =>
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Relevant & Interesting Results Found At => The Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL=>
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL => “Lochsa Lodge 3528”.
…This is a photo concerning Lochsa Lodge, plus a brief Description saying => “Barbara Barker admiring the flowers [with horse looking on]. Bud Moore said "All that soil over there is dark, and deep. It is Loess cap, and that stuff is volcanic. That stuff is good for growing,". Note the gladiolus and lilies. (The Lochsa Lodge is a Forest Service Special Use Permit.) Story is about Tom Barker, and Barbara Barker.
Type: Photograph
Creator: Moore, Bud, 1917-2010
Date: 1938
Subject: Summer At Lochsa Powell Ranger District’s Lochsa Lodge
Historic Value: Residential, Soil, Rocks, Geology, Rural Activities, Grandma Wright, Gladiolus & Lilies, Family.
Contributing Institution: University of Montana Mansfield Library
Geographic Coverage: Idaho
Digital Collection: Bud Moore Photographs and Sound Recordings
Digital Format: .jpg
Physical Collection: Bud Moore Papers, 1805-2011, MSS 848
Local Identifier: 3528
Finding Aid: For more information, connect to the Bud Moore Papers online guide.
Copyright: not specified
Related Collection: Bud Moore Photographs and Sound Recordings
Related Image: Lochsa Lodge [3528]
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL => “Lochsa Lodge 3528”..
…Has a Video concerning Lochsa Lodge, plus a brief Description saying => “Barbara Barker admiring the flowers [with horse looking on]. Bud Moore said "All that soil over there is dark, and deep. It is Loess cap, and that stuff is volcanic. That stuff is good for growing,". Note the gladiolus and lilies. (The Lochsa Lodge is a Forest Service Special Use Permit.) Story is about Tom Barker, and Barbara Barker.
Type: MP3 Video & Sound
Creator: Moore, Bud, 1917-2010
Genre: sound recordings
Language: English
Date: 1938
Subject: Summer At Lochsa Powell Ranger District’s Lochsa Lodge
Historic Value: Residential, Soil, Rocks, Geology, Rural Activities, Grandma Wright, Gladiolus & Lilies, Family.
Contributing Institution: University of Montana Mansfield Library
Geographic Coverage: Idaho
Digital Collection: Bud Moore Photographs and Sound Recordings
Digital Format: audio/mp3
Physical Collection
Bud Moore Papers, 1805-2011, MSS 848
Local Identifier: 3528
Finding Aid: For more information, connect to the Bud Moore Papers online guide.
Copyright: not specified
Related Collection: Bud Moore Photographs and Sound Recordings
Related Image: Lochsa Lodge [3528]
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL => .
…Has a listing of 13 Small Photos, plus a brief Description.
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL => .
…Has a listing of 33 Small Photos, plus a brief Description.
… Click Here For Montana State Library. MONTANA HISTORY PORTAL=> “The Lochsa Story Ch 25 . Henry J. Viche, Powell district ranger, 1943-1947. Duplicate of 4756.”.
…This Shows a tiny image of man in front of a building, but no names. With added descriptions of an approximately 417 page book, as follows =>
Creator: Moore, Bud, 1917-2010
Genre: photographs
Date: Unknown
Subject: Lochsa Powell Ranger District: Powell Ranger Station
Contributing Institution: University of Montana Mansfield Library
Geographic Coverage: Idaho
Digital Collection: Bud Moore Photographs and Sound Recordings
Digital Format: image/jpg
Physical Collection: Bud Moore Papers, 1805-2011, MSS 848
Digitization Specification: Original photographs digitized by Bud Moore.
Copyright: not specified
… Click Here For “Henry J. Viche Photographs at University of Montana Mansfield Library:.
…This collection contains 220 photographs from Henry Viche’s career with the United States Forest Service, primarily taken during the 1930s-1940s. The photographs capture ranger stations, fire lookouts, and rangers carrying out various duties in Western Montana and Idaho. One photo shows a road crew building Lolo Pass Road (Rt 12), another photo at Lochsa Lodge.
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The Present Day Lochsa Lodge Dining Room =>
… As Designed By An Architect, Is Real Modern & Fancy!
……Since We Have Not Yet Obtained A Proper Photo, Please Imagine This Is A Present Day Scene, For What The ZMM Narrator Describes.
….“Chris brings out the paper again. "Now help me," he says.
.... "Okay," I say. I tell him getting stuck is the commonest trouble of all. Usually, I say, your mind gets stuck when you’re trying to do too many things at once. What you have to do is try not to force words to come. That just gets you more stuck. What you have to do now is separate out the things and do them one at a time. You’re trying to think of what to say and what to say first at the same time and that’s too hard. So separate them out. Just make a list of all the things you want to say in any old order. Then later we’ll figure out the right order.
.... "Like what things?" he asks.
.... "Well, what do you want to tell her?"
.... "About the trip."
.... "What things about the trip?"
.. .. He thinks for a while. "About the mountain we climbed."
.... "Okay, write that down," I say. ”
Lochsa Lodge, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Photos Needed: If you visit Lochsa Lodge, please tell them how nice it would be for their OWN HISTORICAL photos of their Lodge and Restaurant to be shown here! Of course, photos of what the Lodge & Restaurant looked like back in approximately 1968 would be the best.
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Looking Back Along The Road Toward Lochsa Lodge.
….“On the road down the canyon now we feel the steady drop of altitude by a popping of ears. It’s becoming warmer and the air is thicker too. It’s goodbye to the high country, which we’ve been more or less in since Miles City.
.... Stuckness. That’s what I want to talk about today.
.... Back on our trip out of Miles City you’ll remember I talked about how formal scientific method could be applied to the repair of a motorcycle through the study of chains of cause and effect and the application of experimental method to determine these chains. The purpose then was to show what was meant by classic rationality.
.... Now I want to show that that classic pattern of rationality can be tremendously improved, expanded and made far more effective through the formal recognition of Quality in its operation. Before doing this, however, I should go over some of the negative aspects of traditional maintenance to show just where the problems are. .
... The first is stuckness, a mental stuckness that accompanies the physical stuckness of whatever it is you’re working on. The same thing Chris was suffering from. ” [ When Chris Tries to write his letter to his Mother. ]
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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Suddenly the Trees “Open Up” and There Is Grass.
….“What you’re up against is the great unknown, the void of all Western thought. You need some ideas, some hypotheses. Traditional scientific method, unfortunately, has never quite gotten around to say exactly where to pick up more of these hypotheses. Traditional scientific method has always been at the very best, 20-20 hindsight. It’s good for seeing where you’ve been. It’s good for testing the truth of what you think you know, but it can’t tell you where you ought to go, unless where you ought to go is a continuation of where you were going in the past. Creativity, originality, inventiveness, intuition, imagination—"unstuckness," in other words—are completely outside its domain. .. We continue down the canyon, past folds in the steep slopes where wide streams enter. We notice the river grows rapidly now as streams enlarge it. Turns in the road are less sharp here and straight stretches are longer. I move into the highest gear.” (Cont. Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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A Huge Forest Fire Burned Off This Whole Area Many Years Ago!
….“Later the trees become scarce and spindly, with large areas of grass and underbrush between them. It’s too hot for the jacket and sweater so I stop at a roadside pulloff to remove them. ” (Cont. Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. This is the only “open area” I remember as I drove the Lochsa River Canyon, so this must be the Narrator’s “roadside pulloff. ”
….Next the Narrator will take up “Stuckness“ and “Unstuckness”. This is leading up to and is really part of his “Gumptionology 101”. He later calls this type of Chautauqua “dry and boring”, in which we see that such “hot & dry” material he reserves for lower elevations, where it is hot or, as here, getting warm.
…But, by contrast, when they happen to go up to higher, cooler, elevations, the Gumptionology discussions are interrupted, so that the reader (and Author Robert Pirsig) can enjoy the cooler forests and meadows, and good riding. For the reader, these are welcomed breaks away from heavy, “dry and boring” discussion.
….Please start to notice this pattern.
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Continued From Previous Photo => As You Can Read On This Sign =>
…A Huge Forest Fire Burned Off This Whole Area “In The Late 1950’s”,
……And Because This Area Is So Dry, The Forest Has Yet To Grow Back, Despite The Fire Was So Many Years Ago!
….“ Chris wants to go hiking up a trail and I let him, finding a small shady spot to sit back and rest. Just quiet now, and meditative. .. A display describes a fire burn that took place here years ago. According to the information the forest is filling in again but it will be years before it returns to its former condition.” (Cont. Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. I believe this is very probably the “ fire burn“ area mentioned by the Narrator. Many thanks to Mr. Rick Parker of the Lochsa Ranger Station, U.S. National Forest Service, for this photo.
….As you can see in my previous two photos of this area, that there are very few trees. This is because, in this area of low rainfall, trees can grow only very, very slowly, and thus it takes many, many decades for the forest to “return to normal”!
….This is possibly the sign seen by the Narrator, or a sign quite similar. The sign in this photo shows the various "burns" on the ridge opposite the river. Click here to see a panorama that includes the ridge shown in the sign. Attention: When the panorama comes up, click on the panorama to get the largest view.
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The Colgate Lick Rest Area Is the Site of An Interesting Old Hot Mineral Springs, That Has Left Minerals Attractive to Animals.
….“Chris wants to go hiking up a trail and I let him, finding a small shady spot to sit back and rest. Just quiet now, and meditative.” (Cont. Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. There is a whole lot more here that is interesting besides the “fire burn“ area mentioned by the Narrator. This we can read on the sign, which is called “The Hot Springs Mineral Animal Lick”, and where the name of this Colgate Lick Rest Area comes from.
….Many thanks to Mr. Rick Parker of the Lochsa Ranger Station, National Forest Service, for this photo. More information about the Colgate Lick Rest Area or the Lochsa National Forest, may be found by typing this name into Google.
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This Gravel Trail Is Very Likely Chris’s Path Of Return.
….“Later the crunch of gravel tells me Chris is coming back down the trail. He didn’t go very far. When he arrives he says, "Let’s go." We retie the pack, which has started to shift a little, and then move out on the highway. The sweat from sitting there cools suddenly from the wind.
.... We’re still stuck on that screw and the only way it’s going to get unstuck is by abandoning further examination of the screw according to traditional scientific method. That won’t work. What we have to do is examine traditional scientific method in the light of that stuck screw.” (Cont. Next)
Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID. Pay attention to the Narrator’s “We retie the pack, which has started to shift a little” and “sweat from sitting there cools suddenly … ”. These poetically amplify the Narrator's current "stuck screw“ Chautauqua.
…. Readjusting the shifted pack and retying the load corresponds to re-evaluating, in a big way, how one looks at the "stuck screw” ! And, if one finally does achieve a new great solution to the "stuck screw”, then this will be a nice breeze that “cools suddenly from the wind” !!
….So, the shifting of the pack and need to re-tie, is by metaphoric transfer, telling us about the need for Quality Action, to refine and improve on the limitations of traditional scientific method.
….NEW TOPIC:
…Chris did not go very far because the Narrator did not go with him. NO FUN. Had the Father gone with the Son, they might have both together shared in discovering the old mineral springs and salt lick, mentioned in the previous photo! Apparently, there all kinds of interesting animal tracks are around there.
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As We Exit the Roadside Pull-off, We See More Evidence Of the Burned Off Forest, On the Right Side Of The Road!
…. “ …. and then move out on the highway. The sweat from sitting there cools suddenly from the wind.
.... We’re still stuck on that screw and the only way it’s going to get unstuck is by abandoning further examination of the screw according to traditional scientific method. That won’t work. What we have to do is examine traditional scientific method in the light of that stuck screw.
.... We have been looking at that screw "objectively." According to the doctrine of "objectivity," which is integral with traditional scientific method, what we like or don’t like about that screw has nothing to do with our correct thinking. We should not evaluate what we see. “
[And according to the doctrine of “objectivity” } “ We should keep our mind a blank tablet which nature fills for us, and then reason disinterestedly from the facts we observe.” (cont. Next)
Leaving Colgate Lick Rest Area, Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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We Return Briefly To Civilization. Note Two Horses In Front of the Buildings.
….“But when we stop and think about it disinterestedly, in terms of this stuck screw, we begin to see that this whole idea of disinterested observation is silly. Where are those facts? What are we going to observe disinterestedly? The torn slot? The immovable side cover plate? The color of the paint job? The speedometer? The sissy bar? As Poincaré would have said, there are an infinite number of facts about the motorcycle, and the right ones don’t just dance up and introduce themselves. The right facts, the ones we really need, are not only passive, they are damned elusive, and we’re not going to just sit back and "observe" them. We’re going to have to be in there looking for them or we’re going to be here a long time. Forever. As Poincaré pointed out, there must be a subliminal choice of what facts we observe.” (Cont. Next)
Lochsa River Canyon and Entrance to Lowell, ID.
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To Build Any Science, For Example The Biology of These Very Complex Plants, What Facts Do You Choose?
….“ The difference between a good mechanic and a bad one, like the difference between a good mathematician and a bad one, is precisely this ability to select the good facts from the bad ones on the basis of quality. He has to care! This is an ability about which formal traditional scientific method has nothing to say. It’s long past time to take a closer look at this qualitative preselection of facts which has seemed so scrupulously ignored by those who make so much of these facts after they are "observed." I think that it will be found that a formal acknowledgment of the role of Quality in the scientific process doesn’t destroy the empirical vision at all. It expands it, strengthens it and brings it far closer to actual scientific practice.” (Cont. Next)
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID. This above ZMM passage is indeed an EXCELLENT summary of the processes of ALL sciences, and well indicates one of the many reasons Why I Requested My Physics Students Read ZMM.
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Craftsmanship Is Destroyed By The So Called “Objectivity”, AND Other Wrongly Conceived Science Practices.
….“ I think the basic fault that underlies the problem of stuckness is traditional rationality’s insistence upon "objectivity," a doctrine that there is a divided reality of subject and object. .“ [Some persons wrongly conceive that ] “ For true science to take place these must be rigidly separate from each other. "You are the mechanic. There is the motorcycle. You are forever apart from one another. You do this to it. You do that to it. These will be the results."
.. This eternally dualistic subject-object way of approaching the motorcycle sounds right to us because we’re used to it.
…… But it’s not right. It’s always been an artificial interpretation SUPERIMPOSED on reality. It’s never been reality itself.
….When this duality is completely accepted a certain nondivided relationship between the mechanic and motorcycle, a craftsmanlike feeling for the work, is destroyed. When traditional rationality divides the world into subjects and objects it shuts out Quality, and when you’re really stuck it’s Quality, not any subjects or objects, that tells you where you ought to go.
.... By returning our attention to Quality it is hoped that we can get technological work out of the non-caring subject-object dualism and back into craftsmanlike self-involved reality again, which will reveal to us the facts we need when we are stuck.” (Cont. Next)
…. NOTE: The next up BOLDED by ZMMQuality Editors for special emphasis. Also since word “superimposed” is already italicized in the ZMM text, we used UPPER CASE LETTERING to communicate additional emphasis, you see above.
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID.
….Notice the FOUR uses of word “Reality” in the ZMM passage above. … This (as discussed in the ~20 & 21th previous photo), is one of the 83 times the “reality” word is used by Author Robert Pirsig, in his book “Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance”.
…THUS, This Whole “Reality” Topic Is Important Enough To Have Its Own ZMMQ Page => Click Here For => .“Author Robert Pirsig’s Major Thread Topic => “Quality, Reality, & “Good Old Reality”
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My Cutting Edge of Reality Encountered This Lush Vegetation by the Lochsa River.
….AND, My “Track Of Quality” Response Was, To Take (And Post Here) The Four Photos You Have Just Seen.
….Here The ZMM Narrator Continues With => This Exceedingly Important Analogy =>
…… A Huge Long Railroad Train, On The Track Of Quality!
….“Romantic Quality, in terms of this analogy, isn’t any "part" of the train. It’s the leading edge of the engine, a two-dimensional surface of no real significance unless you understand that the train isn’t a static entity at all. A train really isn’t a train if it can’t go anywhere. In the process of examining the train and subdividing it into parts we’ve inadvertently stopped it, so that it really isn’t a train we are examining. That’s why we get stuck. .. The real train of knowledge isn’t a static entity that can be stopped and subdivided. It’s always going somewhere. On a track called Quality. And that engine and all those 120 boxcars are never going anywhere except where the track of Quality takes them; and romantic Quality, the leading edge of the engine, takes them along that track.” (Cont. Next)
Lochsa River Canyon, Huge Parking Lot South of Lowell, ID.
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These Whitewater Voyagers Must, Second By Second,
….React to Their OWN OnComing => “Cutting Edge of Reality”.
….“Romantic reality is the cutting edge of experience. It’s the leading edge of the train of knowledge that keeps the whole train on the track. Traditional knowledge is only the collective memory of where that leading edge has been. At the leading edge there are no subjects, no objects, only the track of Quality ahead, and if you have no formal way of evaluating, no way of acknowledging this Quality, then the entire train has no way of knowing where to go. You don’t have pure reason—you have pure confusion.
….The leading edge [of reality] is where absolutely all the action is. The leading edge contains all the infinite possibilities of the future. It contains all the history of the past. Where else could they be contained? ” (Cont. Next)
…. NOTE: The next up BOLDED by ZMMQuality Editors for special emphasis.
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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Standing On This Riverbank, I Was On My OWN “Quality Track” In Responding To My Preintellectual Awareness. =>
…My Resulting Intellectual Awareness Said, “Right Now, Press the Shutter Button”.
…..Likewise, the People In This Raft, Pull Their Paddles =>
……..RIGHT NOW, In Response To Their Preintellectual & Intellectual Awareness.
….“ The past cannot remember the past. The future can’t generate the future. The cutting edge of this instant right here and now is always nothing less than the totality of everything there is. .. Value, the leading edge of reality, is no longer an irrelevant offshoot of structure. Value is the predecessor of structure. It’s the preintellectual awareness that gives rise to it. Our structured reality is preselected on the basis of value, and really to understand structured reality requires an understanding of the value source from which it’s derived.” (Cont. Next)
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID. In the above ZMM passage the idea of Preintellectual Awareness , likely comes partly from Author Robert Pirsig’s understanding of Philosopher F. S. C .Northrop's idea of "Undifferentiated Aesthetic Continuum", which is explained in Northrop’s book “The Meeting of East and West”. To Read More Click Here.
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In This Pontoon Boat, the Captain’s Understanding of the River,
…. Is Modified From Second To Second, As He And His Crew Work Their Paddles!
….“One’s rational understanding of a motorcycle is therefore modified from minute to minute as one works on it …. ” (Cont. Next)
Whitewater Lochsa River Canyon, ID.
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