Mid Afternoon The Narrator and Chris Are Totally Exhausted, and Reach A Knoll Suitable For Camping.

….[ “By about three in the afternoon my legs start to get rubbery and it’s time to stop. I’m not in very good shape. If you go on after that rubbery feeling you start to pull muscles and the next day is agony. “ ]
….“ We come to a flat spot, a large knoll protruding from the side of the mountain. I tell Chris this is it for today. He seems satisfied and cheerful; maybe some progress has been made with him after all.“

A Higher Up Flat Spot, On The Side Of A Smaller Canyon Off Of Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT. After considerable study of the landscape around my Hypothetical Climbing Trail, my WayPt N+C 12, was placed near to a place that well fits, the ZMM Narrator's “flat spot or knoll protruding from the side of the mountain.“ Consistent to the ZMM Mountain Climb Narrative, this location is not too far away from the water of upper Fox Creek, supposing it does not dry up mid-Summer.

Mr. Pirsig's 1968 Photo Of Their Camping Location Shows Dense Forest. This would be compatible with a low area with likely extra water at upper Fox Creek. This is in a portion of the forest far away from logging roads, which in turn, fits the Narrator's very important location clues next morning: “It looks as though the pines have never been cut here. All direct light is shut out from the forest floor and there’s no underbrush at all. Just a springy floor of needles that’s open and spacious and easy hiking.“ You will see how all this fits Mr. Pirsig's own 1968 photo shown at link below: To View Robert Pirsig's 1968 Photo, Of Their Gallatin National Forest Camping Location => Right Click & Open In New Tab.
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(Photo = IMG_0103 Resize1000x1333.JPG. ...... ZMM Page = 201 ...... Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 12cont1 7700ft = 6.1 mi fm DeWeese.)

Looking Over Fox Creek Canyon, Storm Clouds And Threat of Rain Are Seen.

…. “I’m ready for a nap, but clouds have formed in the canyon that appear ready to drop rain. They’ve filled in the canyon so that we can’t see the bottom and can just barely see the ridge on the other side. .. I break open the packs and get the tent halves out, “

Chris & The ZMM Narrator Are At A Higher Up Flat Spot Knoll, On The Side Of A Smaller Canyon, Off Of Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT.

The /\ Above /\ Photo, In Real Life, Shows The Upper Part Of Fox Creek Meadow, Which Is a Popular Place To Visit In Gallatin National Forest.

More Information About Fox Creek Meadow.
…A). From Tina DeWeese we learn that Robert Pirsig & wife Wendy, along with the DeWeese Family, in June 1990, climbed the trail to be at Fox Creek Meadow. (See INSTRUCTIONS below, for more information and Blue Link to see 2 more photos of the Meadow and the Trail to get there.)
…B) The above photo in real life shows Fox Creek Meadow, which is a large area that is, and has been mostly grass, for a very long time. No reason has been found for why and how this meadow does not grow to dense forest, as is seen all around
…C) As shown on my Hypothetical Climbing Trail Topo Map, the Narrator's Hypothetical Camping Spot, N+C 12 (in the /\ Above /\ Photo), is at the far left, and is located well beyond the green trees, seen at the left photo side.
…The clouds in above photo, are similar to those I observed when I hiked up to Fox Creek Meadow, in Summer 06, and actually had produced a light rain about an hour earlier.
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….On My Visits Here In Summer 2002 And Summer 2006, the locations I explored are (also) marked on my previously mentioned Hypothetical Climbing Trail Topo Maps. =>. These are at Way Points 215 thru 226, where I observed a few very small trees, but mostly lots of open grass places, which in turn are consistent with logging, and thus NOT candidates for Narrator's campsites.
….This consistent with logging, is in contrast to what I saw at WayPts 407 thru 507, which were not very far away from Fox Creek Meadow, but had dense forests. (Note, not all WayPt numbers in these ranges were used!)
….These latter forests looked like the Narrator's (previous photo described) forest at his "flat spot, … a large knoll protruding from the side of the mountain.“: Similar forests are seen in Author Robert Pirsig’s 1968 Photo of their tent, as discussed in a previous photo. ….
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INSTRUCTIONS TO SEE MORE PHOTOS OF FOX CREEK MEADOW, AND HIKING TRAIL AND READ ABOUT ROBERT PIRSIG’S VISIT THERE.
..1) After you click on the Blue Link below. You will see a page of 18 Small Photos: Please scroll down to, and read words below the 9th, 10th and 11th, small photo.
..) Then, click on any of the small photos to see a larger version. The >> Icons Upper Right or Lower Right, will advance to the next photo.
..) To Best See Panoramas And Other Large Photos, Click Photo Several Times To Get Largest View. Then ClickDrag Sliders To See Parts Off Screen.
… Click Here For.=> Two More Photos Of The Meadow And The Trail To Get There Plus Discussion Of What Is There.
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(Photo =.IMG_0129 Resize1333 x1000 JPG ...... ZMM Page = 201 ...... Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 12cont2 7750ft = 6.2 mi fm DeWeese.)

Just Now, Let Us Take A Moment To Think Further About Chris & The Narrator’s Climb To This Point. =>
…A) The ZMM Narrator Says “We Come To A Rough Grade And It Changes To Two Breaths Per Step. At One Bank It Goes To Four Breaths Per Step. Huge Steps, Almost Vertical, Hanging On To Roots And Branches.
…B) Which Is On A Very, Very, Steep Slope, On The Side Of A Smaller Canyon, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT.

THINKING FURTHER ABOUT NARRATOR & CHRIS MOUNTAIN CLIMB;
...Be sure to notice that the above photo illustrates the ZMM Narrator’s =>
…“We Come To A Rough Grade And It Changes To Two Breaths Per Step. At One Bank It Goes To Four Breaths Per Step. Huge Steps, Almost Vertical”,.


Similarly. Going Up The Steeper Parts Of Fox Creek Canyon, Soon After WayPt N+C 12, Amateur Mountain Climber, July 17, 2024, Joe Pioro Suddenly Encountered Nearly Impenetrable Forest!

When Mr. Joe Pioro got back from his climb, he right away spoke of the steeper parts of Fox Creek Canyon, he said => “Basically I could see it would be exceedingly difficult for me to force further. Here I hit a real barrier. Perhaps, bush whacking a day, might gain the ridge at N+C 15. “
…Because Mr. Pioro, did not, as did the ZMM Narrator, have “a machete from the pack on my back. ….He at this point gave up, found his way back to the History Rock Trail, and used it to go to Hyalite Canyon road to get a ride back to his car, at the Cottonwood Canyon Trail Head.
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NEW TOPIC1: How I DETERMINED The ELEVATIONS For N+C WayPoints (At The Bottom Of Each Caption Line) For This Photo Album.
…A) With Thanks to TopoZone.com
….. See NEXT Photo For Instructions How To Use TopoZone.com

…B) With Thanks to CalTopo.com
…..CalTopo Is Excellent For Working With Topo Maps, GPS WayPoint Data, And To Study & Explore Mountain Climbing Routes, Especially In Gallatin National Forest (GNF), South Of Bozeman, MT.
… CalTopo, an excellent “on line platform”, and is shown here because, again and again, I keep finding more and more uses for its abilities! … Even for changing GPS Waypoint Data.gps to .KLM, for loading WayPoints into Google Earth.
…. ALSO, I have Used Caltopo To Display On A Topo Map, All 30 N+C WayPoints With Corresponding Descriptions AND Find N+C WayPoint ELEVATIONS. Click Here.
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(Photo = IMG_0111 Resize1000x1333.JPG ...... ZMM Page = 201 ...... Photo Simulate Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C N+C 12cont3 7800ft 6.4 mi fm DeWeese.)

A GoogleEarth View Of Fox Creek Canyon, Showing Waypoints N+C 12 13, For The Most Likely Gallatin National Forest, Mountain Climb Route That => Fits The ZMM Book’s Narrator + Chris Climb Narrative. View Looking ~East.

Fox Creek Canyon, A Smaller Side Canyon, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin Gateway, MT.
REPEAT FROM PREVIOUS: VIEWING NOTES:
…A) The GoogleEarth photo image you see above, shows the Mountain Landscape of the next TWO photos, but since it is a 2D Image it is difficult to perceive any 3D.
…B) To REALLY SEE the 3D “in” these Mountain Landscapes, study Right Click Here And Request New Tab. Then GoogleEarth will load in an extra Browser Tab. After several minutes to load, at Lower Right, ClickOn 2D, to bring up 3D, then ClickDrag, to Best See the 3D.
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INSTRUCTIONS How To Use TopoZone.com To DETERMIN ELEVATIONS For This Photo Album.
…A) With Thanks to TopoZone.com, Which Has Excellent Topo Maps => For The Entire United States!
…. I have shown N+C WayPoint ELEVATIONS according to the Topo Map Contour Lines as labeled on my .. "N+C Hypothetical Climb Trail" Topo Maps.=> Click Here For Instructions And Links To ZMM Bozeman Mountain Hypothetical Climb Trail Topo Maps, Which Opens A New Browser.
…If you are looking at my Topo Maps in this album => Plz remember to Click Map Photo several times to get largest version, AND THEN hold CTRL and press the + Plus Key, to make the Topo Map Even larger.

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….CAUTION: When at first I was finding the elevations for the WayPts, I mistakenly read the darker brown contours as every 100ft. Later I realized these are every 200ft. Please be alert that => I may not have corrected all residual errors.
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NEW TOPIC2” You May Wish To Do Your OWN Topographical Map Study Of A Chosen Landscape, Using => The Excellent Topo Maps by TopoZone.com.
…Below, You Can Learn How To Do This, By Study Of The Gallatin National Forest Trails & Road & Terrane, As Follows =>
…The Blue Link below, will open a TopoZone Topographical (Topo) Map, In The Gallatin National Forest, showing, Un-Labeled At Center Screen N+C 12, which is about halfway up Fox Creek, see-Label. Slightly to right of center, Labeled 800, is a “knoll“”, which fits the ZMM Narrator’s description of where they camped overnight.
…Looking down screen (South) you see the ZMM Narrator’s “ridge“, where he says“come back at an upward angle along to the ridge,., which followed, leads below, off screen to => Mount Blackmore & Elephant Mountain.

…. To View This TopoZone Map, In The Gallatin National Forest, Click Here..

TOPOZONE MAP VIEWING INSTRUCTIONS:
…. Click On the above Blue Link, then. AFTER Map Come Up, you should dutifully note the advertisements. After all, to keep WebPages free to the user, these Ads, are how any Advertisement Supported WebSite, can pay their bills!
…Then BE SURE TO > Click U Left On > Symbol For FULL SCREEN. (Then=> Wait about 30 seconds for the load of the Topo Map to fill your whole screen, AND all of the advertisements, will be gone..


A SIDE NOTE ON GOING TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON A TOPOZONE MAP =>
.:.When viewing any of the TopoZone Maps => The URL line at your Browser Top, (often) shows the Map’s GPS Coordinate Numbers. And by changing these Coordinate Numbers, you can change the Topo Map, to some other location. ATTENTION; As you change these Numbers, you must carefully keep the comma and space the same as previous.
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(Photo = ScrnCapt GoogEarth CottnWoodCyn N+C 12 13.jpg...... ZMM Page = 201 ......WayPt ~= N+C 12 13)

The Next Morning’s Climb Is Now Easier.

….“We still have a lot of climbing to do, but on the trail we discover it’s easier than yesterday.“

Getting Near The ZMM Narrator’s Ridge, Where It Is Easier Climbing Up The Mountainside, Gallatin National Forest, MT I have "spread out" the WayPts on my Hypothetical Climbing Trail, so as to fit the relative difficulty described by the Narrator as they approach, and then move up to the upper part of the ZMM Narrator’s “ridge“, and then climbing to “the summit“ and the Narrator’s “ Blue Sky.” Climax.
…Just previous to the “ Blue Sky.” Climax, the climb includes a “come back at an upward angle along to the ridge,.“ This is WayPt = N+C 18 thru 23.
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(Photo = IMG_NC8cCropLeft Resize 3103x1000 ...... ZMM Page = 203 ...... Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 13 8000ft = 6.6 mi fm DeWeese.)

The Narrator and Chris Now Experience Deep Heavy Forest Where “There Is No Underbrush /i>” and Few Low Branches, Due To Lower Sunlight.

…“We’re getting to the rounded upper portion of the ridge and the slope isn’t as steep. It looks as though the pines have never been cut here. All direct light is shut out from the forest floor and there’s no underbrush at all. Just a springy floor of needles that’s open and spacious and easy hiking . . . . .. Time to get on with the Chautauqua and the second wave of crystallization, the metaphysical one. .. “

Deep Heavily Forested Mountainside Which Will Lead Up To The Narrator’s Ridge, Gallatin National Forest, MT. Here is another important clue on how to find the Narrator's probable route into these mountains: Look for pine forests that have not been cut for a long time prior to 1968. This should be in the Forest Service records.
….Places good for "N+C Hypothetical Climb Trail " will have the absence of logging roads in the general area, and thus stay away from the numerous logging access roads marked on the topo maps. In fact one of these rough and ready logging roads, was how I drove my car up to WayPt 500.
….On Topo Maps, these National Forest (Logging) Roads are marked with double dashed lines. Well traveled foot & bicycle trails, are a single dashed line. You will see both various places, on my Hypothetical Climbing Trail Topo Map.
….Some photos used to illustrate this climb, show relatively open forest with only small trees. This likely shows the re-growth after logging, since such photos were taken near the upper reach of a logging road.
…By contrast, some of these photos show wonderful high pines and dense dark forest. These were on steep slopes and a greater distance from the logging road. You may see an example of these great trees in previous photos.
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(Photo = NC8a Resize1000x1333 ...... ZMM Page = 205 ...... Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 13i ~8200ft = 6.7 mi fm DeWeese.)

A GoogleEarth View Of Upper Fox Creek Canyon, Showing Waypoints N+C 13 14, For The Most Likely Gallatin National Forest, Mountain Climb Route That => Fits The ZMM Book’s Narrator + Chris Climb Narrative. View Looking ~East.

Upper Fox Creek Canyon, Gallatin Gateway, MT.
REPEAT FROM PREVIOUS: VIEWING NOTES:
…A) The GoogleEarth photo image you see above, shows the Mountain Landscape of the next ONE photo, but since it is a 2D Image it is difficult to perceive any 3D.
…B) To REALLY SEE the 3D “in” these Mountain Landscapes, study Right Click Here And Request New Tab. Then GoogleEarth will load in an extra Browser Tab. After several minutes to load, at Lower Right, ClickOn 2D, to bring up 3D, then ClickDrag, to Best See the 3D.
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(Photo = ScrnCapt GoogEarth CottnWoodCyn N+C 13 14.jpg...... ZMM Page = 205 ......WayPt ~= N+C 13 14)

Deeper Into The Dense Forest, Where The Upper Branches Shut Out Direct Sun Light.
…Thus Between the Trees It Is Open For Park-like Steady Climbing.

….“I see a deer move about two hundred yards ahead and above us through the pines. I try to point it out to Chris, but by the time he looks it’s gone." “

Moving Along The Wide Forested Valley Of Upper Fox Creek, Toward The ZMM Narrator’s Ridge, Gallatin National Forest, MT. More trail clues for field checks:=> Due to the dense forest canopy shutting our sunlight and the resulting openness between the trees at vision level, the Narrator can easily see a deer at 200 yards.
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DATE-LINE: May 17, 2021. by Henry Gurr.
….AN EXPLANATION OF CAPTION EDIT REVISIONS FOR THE NEXT SEVEN PHOTOS.
….As originally posted (2003 to 2010), this Album’s Photos & Captions were planned around the original trail conclusion that the "N+C Hypothetical Climb Trail" should have 11 separate photos & captions, one for each WayPt = N+C 14 thru 24.
…However, further study revealed that the ZMM Narrative fits into only 3 photos.
……And of course, this new conclusion, calls for revisions in the specified WayPt N+C##’s, and it was decided to relocate the landscape placements of the WayPt Series N+C 14, N+C 15. A field study should determine a good route from N+C 14 here, on to N+C 23 & N+C 24.
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Instructions To More Clearly See, On A Topo Map, The Separate WayPts (And Contour Lines) For N+C 14 Through N+C 28,
…NOTE: AFTER either of the below Blue Links come up, you should Zoom-In (or use Mouse Wheel) to see the N+C WayPoints with increased separation, and more clarity..

A) First With TopoZone Map:
… Right Click & Open In New Tab, To View A Close Up Topo Map.

B) Second With CalTopo Map:
…..CalTopo Is Excellent For Working With Topo Maps, GPS WayPoint Data, And To Study & Explore Of Mountain Climbing Routes, Especially In Gallatin National Forest (GNF), South Of Bozeman, MT.
… CalTopo, an “on line platform”, is shown here because, again and again, I keep finding more and more uses for its abilities!
…CalTopo is excellent for working with Topo Maps, GPS WayPoint Data, and to Study & Explore Mountain Climbing Routes, Especially In Gallatin National Forest (GNF), South Of Bozeman, MT.
…Moreover, CalTopo is also good, for changing GPS Waypoint Data.gps to .KLM, for loading WayPoints into Google Earth!
…. Use Caltopo To Find N+C WayPoints & Elevations. Right Click And Open In New Tab.
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(Photo = IMG_0032 Resize1000x1333.jpg ...... ZMM Page = 207 ...... Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 14 8400 ft = 7.4 mi fm DeWeese.)

A GoogleEarth View Of Upper Fox Creek Canyon, Showing Waypoints N+C14 15-16, For The Most Likely Gallatin National Forest, Mountain Climb Route That => Fits The ZMM Book’s Narrator + Chris Climb Narrative. View Looking ~Southeast.

Upper Fox Creek Canyon, Gallatin Gateway, MT.
REPEAT FROM PREVIOUS: VIEWING NOTES:
…A) The GoogleEarth photo image you see above, shows the Mountain Landscape of the next ONE photo, but since it is a 2D Image it is difficult to perceive any 3D.
…B) To REALLY SEE the 3D “in” these Mountain Landscapes, study Right Click Here And Request New Tab. Then GoogleEarth will load in an extra Browser Tab. After several minutes to load, at Lower Right, ClickOn 2D, to bring up 3D, then ClickDrag, to Best See the 3D.
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(Photo = ScrnCapt GoogEarth CottnWoodCyn N+C 14 15-16.jpg...... ZMM Page = 207 ......WayPt ~= N+C 14 15-16)

The Climb Is Steep Enough To Require Special “Dig In Heels" Footwork.
…And Here Is The Start Of The Upward & Gradual Building Of The Narrator’s Chautauqua, As To The Full & Special Nature of Quality =>
.... “That Sounded Warm … .Warmer … Hot. . ”.

….“ Chris shouts, "When are we going to get to the top?" .. "Probably quite a way yet," I reply. .. "Will we see a lot?" .. "I think so. Look for blue sky between the trees. As long as we can’t see sky we know it’s a way yet. The light will come through the trees when we round the top." .. Last night’s rain has soaked this soft duff of needles sufficiently to make them good walking. Sometimes when it’s really dry on a slope like this they become slippery and you have to dig your feet into them edgewise or you’ll slide down. .. I say to Chris, "Isn’t it great when there’s no underbrush like this?" .. "Why isn’t there any?" he asks. .. "I think this area must never have been logged. When a forest is left alone like this for centuries, the trees shut out all the underbrush." .. "It’s like a park," Chris says. "You can sure see all around." His mood seems much better than yesterday. I think he’ll be a good traveler from here on. This forest silence improves anyone. .. “
….[Here the Narrator tells us of Phaedrus’ earlier conclusions on the Nature of Quality, then the story starts a build to more & more clarity => ]
.....“He noted that although normally you associate Quality with objects, feelings of Quality sometimes occur without any object at all. This is what led him at first to think that maybe Quality is all subjective. But subjective pleasure wasn’t what he meant by Quality either. Quality decreases subjectivity. Quality takes you out of yourself, makes you aware of the world around you. Quality is opposed to subjectivity.
....I don’t know how much thought passed before he arrived at this, but eventually he saw that Quality couldn’t be independently related with either the subject or the object but could be found only in the relationship of the two with each other. It is the point at which subject and object meet.
....That sounded warm.
....Quality is not a thing. It is an event.
....Warmer.
....It is the event at which the subject becomes aware of the object.
....And because without objects there can be no subject—because the objects create the subject’s awareness of himself—Quality is the event at which awareness of both subjects and objects is made possible.
....Hot. . “....

Upward Moving Towards A Climax, Which Will Be On The Crest The Narrator’s Ridge, Gallatin National Forest, MT. Another trail clue => This slope is both quiet and steep enough to require the climbers to “dig your feet into them edgewise“ This tells us that perhaps they are following a sideways slant up the slope? Since this was not mentioned previously, it may mean this kind of steepness did not happen previously, or was such a sloping hillside angle of approach not needed previously
….Of course, the Narrator may be merely looking for a new way to tell the story. Or perhaps we should not read too much into this.
….Similar analysis could be applied to the Narrator's "Isn’t it great when there’s no underbrush like this?" Did this not happen previously, or we reading too much into this? Either way, these are possible field consistency check for the correct trail hypothesis.
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(Photo = 110-1061 DnFmLoloPassRestArea SelectForestForN+c23 _IMG ...... ZMM Page = 213 ......H.Gurr Photo Fm Lochsa Cyn. Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 23 9100ft = 8.2 mi fm DeWeese.)

A GoogleEarth View of Upper Fox Creek Canyon, Showing Waypoints N+C 16-17-18 19-20-21-22-23-24, For The Most Likely Gallatin National Forest, Mountain Climb Route That => Fits The ZMM Book’s Narrator + Chris Climb Narrative. View Looking ~North.

Upper Fox Creek Canyon, Gallatin Gateway, MT.
REPEAT FROM PREVIOUS: VIEWING NOTES:
…A) The GoogleEarth photo image you see above, shows the Mountain Landscape of the next SEVEN photos, but since it is a 2D Image it is difficult to perceive any 3D.
…B) To REALLY SEE the 3D “in” these Mountain Landscapes, study Right Click Here And Request New Tab. Then GoogleEarth will load in an extra Browser Tab. After several minutes to load, at Lower Right, ClickOn 2D, to bring up 3D, then ClickDrag, to Best See the 3D.
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NOTE1: As Previously Mentioned:
…A complete field study is needed, to determine a good climb route from WayPt N+C 15, to N+C 23 & N+C 24. Thus the final decided "N+C Hypothetical Climb Trail”, may or may not use the Narrator’s “Double Back" included in => WayPt N+C 18 thru N+C 22, which is seen in the Google Earth Photo Above.
NOTE2: Concerning The Previously Mentioned Link To “ZMM Bozeman Mountain Hypothetical Climb Trail Topo Map(s)”
…As marked on these Topo Maps, Waypoints N+C 15 through N+C 24 are properly located on the Contour Lines. However, to properly show these on GoogleEarth Display, an example of which you see above, these Waypoints have a somewhat different placement, relative to the Contour Lines.
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(Photo = ScrnCapt GoogEarth CottnWoodCyn N+C 16 17-18 19-20-21-22-23-24.jpg...... ZMM Page = 215-217 ......WayPt ~= N+C 16 17-18 19-20-21-22-23-24.)

The Continued, Gradual Building Of The Narrator’s Chautauqua, Until He Reaches A Dramatic Climax!
….Correspondingly, Chris Simultaneously & Joyously Reaches The Crest Of The Ridge. This Turns Out To Be The Highest Point On His & The Narrator’s Mountain Climb.

[ “ …. Eventually he saw that Quality couldn’t be independently related with either the subject or the object but could be found only in the relationship of the two with each other. It is the point at which subject and object meet.
....That sounded warm.
....Quality is not a thing. It is an event.
....Warmer.
....It is the event at which the subject becomes aware of the object.
....And because without objects there can be no subject—because the objects create the subject’s awareness of himself—Quality is the event at which awareness of both subjects and objects is made possible.
....Hot. . “ ]... …..
….“ Now he knew it was coming.”
.... “This means Quality is not just the result of a collision between subject and object. The very existence of subject and object themselves is deduced from the Quality event. The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and objects, which are then mistakenly presumed to be the cause of the Quality!
....Now he had that whole damned evil dilemma by the throat. The dilemma all the time had this unseen vile presumption in it, for which there was no logical justification. that Quality was the effect of subjects and objects. It was not! He brought out his knife.
...."The sun of quality," he wrote, "does not revolve around the subjects and objects of our existence. It does not just passively illuminate them. It is not subordinate to them in any way. It has created them. They are subordinate to it! .. And at that point, when he wrote that, he knew he had reached some kind of culmination of thought he had been unconsciously striving for over a long period of time.”

Near The ZMM Narrator’s Mountain Ridge Crest, Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT.
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(Photo = 110-1061 DnFmLoloPassRestArea SelectForestForN+c23 _IMG ...... ZMM Page = 215 ......H.Gurr Photo Fm Lochsa Cyn. Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 23 9100ft = 8.2 mi fm DeWeese.)

They Break Into The Open And Make A Run For The Crest Of The Narrator’s Ridge!

“.... "Blue sky!" shouts Chris.
.... There it is, way above us, a narrow patch of blue through the trunks of the trees.
.... We move faster and the patches of blue become larger and larger through the trees ….We move faster and the patches of blue become larger and larger through the trees.” ”and soon we see that the trees thin out to a bare spot at the summit. When the summit is about fifty yards away I say, "Let’s go!" and start to dash for it, throwing into the effort all the reserves of energy I’ve been saving. I give it everything I have, but Chris gains on me. Then he passes me, giggling. With the heavy load and high altitude we’re not setting any records but now we’re just charging up with all we have. .. Chris gets there first, while I just break out of the trees. He raises his arms and shouts, "The Winner!"
.... Egotist.
.... I’m breathing so hard when I arrive I can’t speak.”

The Crest Of The Narrator’s Ridge, On The Flank Of A Mountain With Snow, Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT.

NEW TOPIC:
…If you search the Internet for information concerning Hiking Trails, in these mountains of the Gallatin National Forest, you will find many sites that describe the Gallatin National Forest Trails into mountains that have Summer snow, such as Mount. Blackmore and Elephant Mountain. One such site said Mt. Blackmore was an old volcano.
….Well, the rock shown in the NEXT photo, certainly looks like ancient lava volcanic rock!
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(Photo = 110-1061 DnFmLoloPassRestArea SelectForestForN+c24.IMG IMG ...... ZMM Page =215 ...... H.Gurr Photo Fm Lochsa Cyn. Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 24 9200ft = 8.4mi fm DeWeese.)

The Rock At The ZMM Narrator’s Mountain Ridge Crest, Where Chris & Narrator Fall Asleep =>
…. After This Triple Climax: 1) The Narrator Has Achieved His Long Sought Key To Quality! AND 2) Chris, After His Long Struggle, Finally Achieves Joyous Triumph At The Ridge Crest! AND 3) The ZMM Narrative Correspondingly Brings Us As Readers To A Dramatic High Point, A Climax, Of Author Robert Pirsig’s Climb Narrative!

[ “He raises his arms and shouts, "The Winner!" .. Egotist. .. I’m breathing so hard when I arrive I can’t speak. ” ] “We just drop our packs from our shoulders and lie down against some rocks. The crust of the ground is dry from the sun, but underneath is mud from last night’s rain. ”

On The ZMM Narrator’s Mountain Ridge Crest, Whereupon Can Be Seen, A Mountain Top With Snow, Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of, Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT.
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(Photo = IMG_0146 Resize1000x1333 ...... ZMM Page =216 ...... History Rock Photo Simulate WayPt = N+C 24 9220ft = 8.4 mi fm DeWeese.)

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THE ABOVE PHOTO SHOWS: GALLATIN NATIONAL FOREST’S “HISTORY ROCK”:
…BELOW IS INFORMATION ABOUT HISTORY ROCK.
Click Here To Read About History Rock & History Rock Trail: Gallatin Range.

According to more than one WebSite, Mt. Blackmore is an old volcano. The presence of volcanic activity in the Mt Blackmore area, is confirmed by the rock shown in the /\ Above /\ Photo. It certainly looks like ancient volcanic lava!
…. Click Here To View A Panorama Photo With This Ancient Volcanic Rock. Proof Enough, That These Mountains Have Volcanic Activity Beneath: Volcanic here, for the same reason as Yellowstone National Park, a mere 60 miles away.
….Click above Blue Link for discussion (and further links) for the IDEA that there is a Deep “HotSpot” now apparently under Yellowstone National Park, and eventually it will create a spectacular super blast, making a much deeper and MUCH LARGER CALDERA, than the ~45 Mile Diameter Caldera (from a 640,000 year ago), which formed the Ring of Mountains and Lake now there in central YNP.
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From The High Areas Around Mount Blackmore, You Can See The Narrator’s “Gallatin Valley. At One Corner Of The Valley Is Bozeman. … ”

… “Below us and miles away beyond the forested slopes and the fields beyond them is the Gallatin Valley. At one corner of the valley is Bozeman. A grasshopper jumps up from the rock and soars down and away from us over the trees. .. "We made it," Chris says. He is very happy. I am still too winded to answer. I take off my boots and socks which are soggy with sweat and set them out to dry on a rock. I stare at them meditatively as vapors from them rise up toward the sun.” [End Chapter 20.]

At The Crest Of The ZMM Narrator’s Ridge, On The Flank Of A Mountain With Snow, Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT. Yes! As can be seen in the /\ Above /\ Photo, from the high areas around Mount Blackmore, you can see the Narrator’s “Gallatin Valley. At one corner of the valley is Bozeman. … ”
…And, as seen with GoogleEarth, a view of Bozeman and Gallatin Valley, is indeed possible from the westerly ridge, on the flank of, snow-covered Mt. Blackmore.
….Note this additional important Narrator's trail location clue => Find a ridge, from which can seen, the Gallatin Valley plus Bozeman, from a suitable high place where they rest, and at least see in that direction.
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DATE-LINE: May 19, 2021. by Henry Gurr.
…REMEMBERING THAT => THERE ARE NO USELESS WASTED WORDS IN ZMM, WHAT ARE WE TO MAKE OF THE ZMM NARRATOR’S =>
… “Chris says. He is very happy. I am still too winded to answer. A Grasshopper Jumps Up From The Rock And Soars Down And Away From Us Over The Trees." .
…Of course, this is good story-telling, and even might have actually happened.
… But in addition, this should be taken as a Telegram => Telling us that: Important Momentous Events are hereabouts, possibly very close and possibly quite soon to happen. AND Author Robert Pirsig uses this Telegraph Method to =>
..A) At first set the scene, where the Narrator says “ Chris says. He is very happy. ” BUT COMPLETELY FAILS to join in Chrises Happiness, saying merely “ I am still too winded to answer. ”
..B) Then Author Robert Pirsig simultaneously uses the Telegraph Method to tell us that he => KNOWS this is an example of the Narrator's bad treatment, as a father, to Chris!
.....And, we as readers are to “see” that this IS such a Telegram! And know, this again an example of Author Pirsig’s method, to alert the reader => That Metaphorically, just as the Grasshopper goes down and away, so does any hope of help from the Narrator to Chris!

In The Above ZMM Passage, Author Robert Pirsig, Presents =>.A Powerful Unforgettable Series of Events. Where The Reader Should “See” The Poignant, Agony, Between The Narrators And Chris!
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Another Example of “The Telegraph Method =>
…When The Narrator & Chris Are At Their Camping Place Just After Entering Idaho At Lolo Pass, Author Robert Pirsig, Presents => A Similar Powerful Unforgettable Series of Events. Where The Reader Should “See” The Poignant, Agony, Between The Narrators And Chris!
…Below, Be Sure To Note The Whole ZMM Phrase Having Useless Words & Telegraph! “ Small Bird ”
.... “… we head back up the logging road. As we climb it, I get a sudden depressed feeling I’ve been walking up this logging road all my life.
"Dad?"
"What?" A rises from a tree in front of us.
"What should I be when I grow up?"
The bird disappears over a far ridge. I don’t know what to say. "Honest," I finally say.
"I mean what kind of a job?"
"Any kind."
"Why do you get mad when I ask that?"
"I’m not mad . . . I just think . . . I don’t know . . . I’m just too tired to think . . . . It doesn’t matter what you do."
Roads like this one get smaller and smaller and then quit.
..Later I notice he’s not keeping up.
....The sun is below the horizon now and twilight is on us. We walk separately back up the logging road and when we reach the cycle we climb into the sleeping bags and without a word go to sleep. ”
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POSTLOG:
…The Narrator’s failure to appropriately respond to Chris ,happens repeatedly up to Chapter 28. However, in the last four Chapters of ZMM, Author Robert Pirsig writes into ZMM many places where the Narrator’s treatment of Chris starts improving: And at the end of the book, Chris asks about owning a motorcycle, and how to take care of it. By contrast to the above passages, the Narrator, now merged with Phaedrus, is very positive, extensive, and helpsul!
This ZMM Passage Is Below =>
… “ "Can I have a motorcycle when I get old enough?"
"If you take care of it."
"What do you have to do?"
"Lot’s of things. You’ve been watching me."
"Will you show me all of them?"
"Sure."
"It is hard?"
"Not if you have the right attitudes. It’s having the right attitudes that’s hard."
"Oh."
After a while I see he is sitting down again. Then he says, "Dad?"
"What?"
"Will I have the right attitudes?"
"I think so," I say. "I don’t think that will be any problem at all." ”
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If You Are Aware Of Other Similar Telegraph or Master Motif Examples, Please Send Email To HenryG__USCA.edu
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The Narrator Studies The Route To The Snow.

From the start of Chapter 20;
…. “Evidently I’ve slept. The sun is hot. …
…. I look over the rock I’m leaning against and see Chris sound asleep on the other side. Way up above him the forest stops and barren grey rock leads into patches of snow. We can climb the back of this ridge straight up there, but it would be dangerous toward the top. I look up at the top of the mountain for a while.”

But Later, He Suddenly Hears The Sounds Of a Rock Slide, And Gradually Becomes Badly Frightened:
…. “A sound of falling rock draws my attention over to one side of the mountain. Nothing moves. Completely still. .. It’s all right. You hear little rockslides like this all the time.
.... Not so little sometimes, though. Avalanches start with little slides like that. If you’re above them or beside them, they’re interesting to watch. But if they’re above you...no help then. You just have to watch it come. .. ”

At The Crest Of The ZMM Narrator’s Ridge, On The Flank Of A Mountain, Which Much Higher Up Has Snow, Way Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT.

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(Photo = ScrnCapt GoogEarth N+C 24+NarratorViewOfRouteToMountain&Snow1...... ZMM Page = 216 ...... WayPt = N+C 24cont3 9200ft = 8,4 mi fm DeWeese.)

The Mountains Look Peaceful, But the Narrator's Accelerating Bad Dreams and Imagined Threat of Avalanches Warn of Imminent Danger!

…. “As we walk along the summit toward the beginning of a ravine we hear another clattering sound of falling rock, much louder than the first one I heard just a while ago. I look up to see where it is. Still nothing.
.... "What was that?" Chris asks.
.... "Rockslide." .
…. We both stand still for a moment, listening. Chris asks, "Is there somebody up there?"
.... "No, I think it’s just melting snow that’s loosening stones. When it’s really hot like this in the early part of the summer you hear a lot of small rockslides. Sometimes big ones. It’s part of the wearing down of the mountains."
...."I didn’t know mountains wore out."
...."Not wore out, wore down. They get rounded and gentle. These mountains are still unworn."
.... Everywhere around us now, except above, the sides of the mountain are covered with blackish green of the forest. In the distance the forest looks like velvet.
....I say, "You look at these mountains now, and they look so permanent and peaceful, but they’re changing all the time and the changes aren’t always peaceful. Underneath us, beneath us here right now, there are forces that can tear this whole mountain apart."
...."Do they ever?"
...."Ever what?"
.... "Tear the whole mountain apart?"
.... "Yes," I say. Then I remember: "Not far from here there are nineteen people lying dead under millions of tons of rock. Everyone was amazed there were only nineteen." .. “

At The Crest Of The Narrator’s Ridge, On The Flank Of A Mountain With Snow, Way Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT. "N+C Hypothetical Climb Trail " location clue, along a ridge that leads to snow as indicated by => “we walk along the summit toward the beginning of a ravine.“

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Better Not Climb to the Snow Today.
….Much To Chris’ Great Dismay, They Start Their Way Down.

….“Chris stares at the top of the mountain before us. "Didn’t they get any warning?" .. "I don’t know." .. "You’d think there’d be a warning."
.... "Maybe there was."
.... We walk to where the ridge we are on creases inward to the start of a ravine. I see that we can follow this ravine down and eventually find water in it. I start angling down now.
.... Some more rocks clatter up above. Suddenly I’m frightened.
.... "Chris," I say.
.... "What?" .. "You know what I think?"
.... "No, what?"
.... "I think we’d be very smart if we let that mountaintop go for now and try it another summer." …. “He’s silent. Then he says, "Why?"
...."I have bad feelings about it."
....He doesn’t say anything for a long time. Finally he says, "Like what?"
...."Oh, I just think that we could get caught up there in a storm or a slide or something and we’d be in real trouble."
....More silence. I look up and see real disappointment in his face. I think he knows I’m leaving something out. "Why don’t you think about it," I say, "and then when we get to some water and have lunch we’ll decide."
....We continue walking down. "Okay?" I say.
....He finally says, "Okay," in a noncommittal voice.
....The descent is easy now but I see it will be steeper soon. It’s still open and sunny here but soon we’ll be in trees again.
....I don’t know what to make of all this weird talk at night except that it’s not good. For either of us. It sounds like all the strain of this cycling and camping and Chautauqua and all these old places has a bad effect on me that appears at night. I want to clear out of here as fast as possible “. “

In A Ravine On The Way Down, From The Crest Of The ZMM Narrator’s Ridge, On The Flank Of Mountain With Snow, Above Upper Fox Creek, Off Of Upper Cottonwood Canyon, Gallatin National Forest, MT. The Narrator is frightened, because he remembers the 1959 Earthquake near Hebgen Lake, and on the main road, just west of Yellowstone NP, and only ~40 miles away from where Chris & Narrator are.
….This earthquake caused a major landslide that killed nineteen people. By happenstance, this Earthquake happened the night before Robert Pirsig (with his family), left his home in Minneapolis, MN, to take up his teaching position at Montana State College (now University), Bozeman, MT.
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….Note several trail location clues => Chris has struggled all this way, to the chrest of a ridge that leads directly to snow. Here he is very close to the snow and can see it in all it’s grandeur, all the way to the very top of the big mountain, just up the slope. No wonder he will be disappointed and resist the idea of going down!!
….This is because Chris has no way to really understand the possible danger, and no way to feel the same frightening danger of his Dad’s bad dreams, or threat of his Dad’s mental instability. … However, ALL of these FEARS are VERY MUCH on the mind of the Narrator!!
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(Photo = ScrnCapt GoogEarth N+C5+NarratorFindsWayDnFmfRidgeToLowerN+C26 1 ...... ZMM Page = 219 & 229 ...... WayPt = N+C 25cont 9060ft =8.6 mi fm DeWeese)