This Is A SECOND 1978 Photo Of A Third Floor Classroom In MSU’s Montana Hall
….Showing Professor Gary Wegner, As The Narrator Says => Looking Over A Radiator, Out The Windows And See To The South The Valley & Distant Mountains..
….And Where Shirley Luhrsen Said Robert Pirsig Once Taught English 1959-1961.
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….[ “ The room inside is waiting, exactly as remembered, As If HE Were Here now. HE is here now. HE’s aware of everything I see.
….Everything jumps forth and vibrates with recall.
.... The long dark-green chalkboards on either side are flaked and in need of repair, just as they were. The chalk, never any chalk except little stubs in the trough, is still here. Beyond the blackboard are the windows and through them are the mountains he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing. He would sit by the radiator with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains, interrupted, occasionally, by a student who asked, "Do we have to do -- ? ..“ ]
….“ And he would turn and answer whatever thing it was and there was a oneness he had never known before. This was a place where he was received—as himself. Not as what he could be or should be but as himself. A place all receptive—listening. He gave everything to it. This wasn’t one room, this was a thousand rooms, changing each day with the storms and snows and patterns of clouds on the mountains, with each class, and even with each student. No two hours were ever alike, and it was always a mystery to him what the next one would bring . …..“

Third Floor, Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT.

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In the /\ Above /\ Photo at far right, you see one of the Narrator’s “long dark-green chalkboards on either side … “
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….The /\ Above /\ Photo Was Taken Early August 1978, By The Then Professor Of English Gary Wegner. ….Please see Previous Photo for Information & Links Re Prof Wegner’s 7 Photos Of Montana Hall.
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….The NEXT Photo shows the mountains he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing.““
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This Is A 1978 Photo Of “The Mountains He Watched, Meditatively, On Days When The Students Were Writing."
..A Photo Taken From The Same Third Floor Classroom Window In MSU’s Montana Hall
….This View Is To The South And A Bit East, Looking Over The MSU Library Roof.
……Showing The Gallatin Valley & Distant Absaroka Mountain Range, Beyond Which Is Yellowstone National Park.


….[ “ Beyond the blackboard are the windows and through them are the mountains he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing. He would sit by the radiator with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains, interrupted, occasionally, by a student who asked, "Do we have to do -- ? …. "]

Third Floor, Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT.

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….The /\ Above /\ Photo Was Taken Early August 1978, By The Then Professor Of English Gary Wegner. ….Please see the Second Previous Photo for Information & Links Re Prof Wegner’s 7 Photos Of Montana Hall.
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….The NEXT Photo shows South side of Montana Hall where are located “the windows and through them …. he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing."
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This Is A 1978 Photo Of South Side Of Montana Hall Where Are Located =>
….“The Windows And Through Them …. He Watched, Meditatively, On Days When The Students Were Writing."
….Ms Shirley Luhrsen Told Professor Wegner That Mr Pirsig’s Classroom Was Third Floor Up, Under the Left Dormer Peak, Where Are Seen 4 Windows, 3 Of Which Are Open To Fresh Air.
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….[ “ with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains, interrupted, occasionally, by a student who asked, "Do we have to do -- ? …. "]

Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT.

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….The /\ Above /\ Photo Was Taken Early August 1978, By The Then Professor Of English Gary Wegner.
….Here is what professor Wegner says about the location of Mr Pirsig’s Montana Hall Classroom.
….”In 1978 we went to the [MSU] library to research Pirsig's tenure at Montana State University. We met a former English teacher named Shirley Luhrsen who knew Pirsig when he taught there in the early 60's. From the library window, Shirley pointed out the rear of the Montana Hall building, where Pirsig taught English.” ……. Information About Just Who Was Shirley Luhrsen. Click Here For => Letters To & From Bozeman: Concerning Persons (or Events) of The English Department, Montana State College, 1945 to 1969**
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….Please see the Third Previous Photo for Information & Links Re Prof Wegner’s 7 Photos Of Montana Hall.
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This Is A 1978 Photo Of North Side Of Montana Hall Where Are Located The Small Windows Of The Narrator’s Old Office.
….Look Close: The Two “Cramped” Windows Are Seen Between The Two White Spherical Light Fixtures.

….“ This was his office. A find. This is the room I am looking for!
….I step inside and an avalanche of memory, loosened by the jolt of the print, begins to come down. The light on the print comes from a miserable cramped window in the adjacent wall through which he looked out onto and across the valley …“

Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT.

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….The /\ Above /\ Photo Was Taken Early August 1978, By The Then Professor Of English Gary Wegner.
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This Montana Hall Floor Plan Shows Sarah’s and Pirsig’s Office Desk Locations As-Well-As The English Department Location On ~2nd Floor MSU’s Montana Hall.
….Notice At Right Word “North”, Which Is The FRONT DOOR SIDE Of Montana Hall.
……Please Use This Floor Plan, To Help Your Understanding Of The Action Of The ZMM Passage Next Down


….[A Framed Print] “had an appeal to him that was irrelevant to the art in that its subject, a kind of Gothic cathedral, created from semiabstract lines and planes and colors and shades, seemed to reflect his mind’s vision of the Church of Reason and that was why he’d put it here. All this comes back now. onto the Madison Range and watched the storms come in and while watching this valley before me now through this window here, now . . . started the whole thing, the whole madness, right here! This is the exact spot!
….And that door leads to Sarah’s office. Sarah! Now it comes down! She came trotting by with her watering pot between those two doors, going from the corridor to her office, and she said, "I hope you are teaching Quality to your students." This in a la-de-da, singsong voice of a lady in her final year before retirement about to water her plants. That was the moment it all started. That was the seed crystal.
….Seed crystal. A powerful fragment of memory comes back now. The laboratory. Organic chemistry. He was working with an extremely supersaturated solution when something similar had happened. …..
….The one sentence "I hope you are teaching Quality to your students" was said to him, and within a matter of a few months, growing so fast you could almost see it grow, came an enormous, intricate, highly structured mass of thought, formed as if by magic. .... "

Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT. In the /\ Above /\ Floor Plan => The Framed “print, Feininger’s ‘Church of the Minorites, " was likely on the long wall coming from the front of Montana Hall, since this would give “The light on the print comes from a miserable cramped window in the adjacent wall" and also be beside Pirsig’s Desk as shown.

Concerning the Narrator’s Window “Through Which He Looked Out Onto And Across The Valley Onto The Madison Range And Watched The Storms Come In.”
….All assembled. worthy evidence for the location of Robert Pirsig’s Montana Hall office fits the /\ Above /\ Floor Plan: Where this plan shows that the “miserable cramped window” is on the North side of Montana Hall, which looks over Bozeman and Gallatin Valley, in which directions, only un-remarkable distant mountains Northwest and North. And the mountains visible to the Northeast are The Bridger Mountains, and continuing South are The Gallatin Mountains, where was mentioned in a Previous Photo => “The ‘Crack In The Mountains’ is where Bozeman Pass & I-90 Go Between.”

…. ….The Madison Range, and Spanish Peaks are indeed visible (depending on growth of trees) to the Southwest from Classroom Windows on South side of Montana Hall: This may have been on Pirsig’s mind in the writing process, and became one of few places where Author Robert Pirsig is factually wrong. Since from this window there can be seen only un-remarkable distant mountains, Northwest and North of Montana Hall.
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….Many thanks to Ms Teresa Dysart for helping us know just where were the offices of Professors Sarah Vinke & Robert Pirsig, back in the years 1959 – 1961.

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“The Church of the Minorites II" (1926), by Lyonel Feininger.
…. For Phaedrus, This Was An Image Illustrating The University AS => “The Church of Reason.” .
……You Must Imagine This Painting High On the Wall, of the Phaedrus’ Old, Cramped, Dingy Office:

…. “On the way out I open one more door, compulsively. There on the wall I see something which sends a spine-tingling feeling along my neck It’s a painting. I’ve had no recollection of it but now I know he bought it and put it there.
….And suddenly I know it’s not a painting, it’s a print of a painting he ordered from New York and which DeWeese had frowned at because it was a print and prints are of art and not art themselves, a distinction he didn’t recognize at the time. But the print, Feininger’s "Church of the Minorites," had an appeal to him that was irrelevant to the art in that its subject, a kind of Gothic cathedral, created from semiabstract lines and planes and colors and shades, seemed to reflect his mind’s vision of the Church of Reason and that was why he’d put it here. All this comes back now. This was his office. A find. This is the room I am looking for!"

Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT. . Lyonel Feininger’s. Original Painting, is to be found by special request at => The Walker Art Center (An Art Museum), just west of downtown Minneapolis.
… Please know that => Minneapolis is Author Pirsig’s hometown, and thus he very likely originally discovered the /\ Above /\ shown painting at The Walker Art Center. Evidently, he subsequently found where to purchase a copy for his Montana Hall Office.
…. For Robert Pirsig => This painting created “A Mental Image Of A University! “AS => “The Church of Reason.”"
.….Painting Credit Line => .Lyonel Feininger, Barfüsserkirche II (Church of the Minorites II), 1926, oil on canvas, 43-1/2 x 37-1/2 x 2-1/2" framed, Collection Walker Art Center, Minneapolis; Gift of the T. B. Walker Foundation, Gilbert M. Walker Fund, 1943. © Copyright. Permission to reproduce on ZMMquality.org is granted by The Walker Art Center.
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In the /\ Above /\ Photo, You Should Look Closely To See => The White Luminous Side of The Cathedral Wall in Distance, and see the ~Faintly Bluish, Gothic Arch Church Windows, between each Major Vertical Stone Buttress.
….About Lyonel Feininger, The Guggenheim Museum Site says => “In Weimar, he [Feininger] worked on paintings such as Church of the Minorities II (1926), whose structural order reflects the organizational principles of classical architecture and of his own musical compositions, especially his fugues for organ. In works like Gelmeroda (1913–36), a series of oil paintings based on the medieval church near Weimar, prismatic planes form dynamic constructions producing a sense of monumentality.
SPELLING NOTE: The Walker Art Center & ZMM say Minorites, and thus is same on ZMMQ Site & Gallery. Other Sites such as Guggenheim spell Minorities.”
….Upon Seeing A (Note Card) Copy Of This Painting, Gennie DeWeese, herself trained & practicing in Abstract Art, immediately said => "This is Abstract Art, BEFORE there WAS 'Abstract Art!!'”.and continued with ~”My abstract art husband would have known Robert Pirsig was pretty unusual, sharp, & interesting, just because he owned a copy of this painting!!”
To Learn More => .
..A) To see lots more of Feininger Art, => Type Into Google =>… Lyonel Feininger Church of the Minorites II 1926. NOTE: The Wikipedia Feininger Article says he died 1928 just 2 year after Minorites II in 1926, Thus this painting shows an end of career sophistication and in well worth investigating!!
..B) To Learn more about relationship of Minneapolis, MN (And Walker Gallery) To =>
……The Book “Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” AND Author Robert Pirsig =>
…. Please Review The First 10 Photos Of ZMMQuality Gallery Album Right Click Here, and Open In A New Tab. .

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Entrance to President's Office, Montana State University, Summer 2002.
Concerning One Of His Montana Hall Former Classrooms, Mr. Robert Pirsig Said
…."I Looked In There One Year And Found The President Of The University Sitting Where My Students Used To Be."

….[ “ The floorboards have an eerie creek as I move down the corridor and they are accompanied by an eerie thought that it is him. In this place he is the reality and I am the ghost. On one of the classroom doorknobs I see his hand rest for a moment, then slowly turn the knob, then push the door open.
….The room inside is waiting, exactly as remembered, as if he were here now. He is here now. He’s aware of everything I see. Everything jumps forth and vibrates with recall.
….The long dark-green chalkboards on either side are flaked and in need of repair, just as they were. The chalk, never any chalk except little stubs in the trough, is still here. Beyond the blackboard are the windows and through them are the mountains he watched, meditatively, on days when the students were writing. He would sit by the radiator with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains,. “ ]

A Former Robert Pirsig Classroom, Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman. MT.
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Beyond That Presented In Previous Photos =>
….Does Anyone Have Additional Information (Or Photos) About Sara Vinke’s Or Robert Pirsig’s Old Office Or Classrooms?
….Where were these located, or what it looked like? Do you have access to Montana Hall Floor Plans showing English Department or Offices?
….Do you have any old photographs, documents, publications (prior the building renovation). that show (even in the background), anything about Sarah, the English Department classrooms, the cracked chalk boards, the English Faculty or their offices, etc? If you can help, please contact me.


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A Peek Out This Third Floor Fire Escape Door Reveals the Narrator’s Madison Mountain Range in the Distance To The Southwest.

…. “through which he looked out onto and across the valley onto the Madison Range and watched the storms come in " ….
…. “ He would sit by the radiator with a stub of chalk in one hand and stare out the window at the mountains, ….. This wasn’t one room, this was a thousand rooms, changing each day with the storms and snows and patterns of clouds on the mountains,"

Third Floor, Montana Hall, Montana State University, Bozeman, MT. The /\ Above /\ Photo shows one of the few places where The ZMM Enthusiast may see what the Narrator describes, especially if fair weather, when the door may be open to the Fire Escape Platform.
….NOTE: If you study maps Southwest of Bozeman, MT, you will see that the Madison River flows out of the Madison Range of mountains.
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….A Repeat Of Discussion 3rd Photo Previous =>
….The Madison Range, and Spanish Peaks are indeed visible to the Southwest from Classroom Windows on South side of Montana Hall:
….Of course, what South View can be seen depends on which Classroom Window, what Building Level and depending on growth of trees, and how many leaves summer vs winter.
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…. Due to Building Renovations ~1978, most of the building's rooms have been entirely changed. Thus it not easy to recognize where the Old Professor’s Offices or Classrooms may have been.
…So I was overjoyed when Terry Dysart, of the MSU Planning and Analysis Dept. emailed to say that she though it was so neat that her office in Montana Hall was Robert Pirsig’s old office!!! Contact Terry at 406-944-1649, or tdysart@montana.edu for more information.

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Flowers and Monument Announce Montana State University.

…. “ A few days later when Sarah trotted by again she stopped and said, "I’m so happy you’re teaching Quality this quarter. Hardly anybody is these days."
…."Well, I am," he said. "I’m definitely making a point of it.
…."Good!" she said, and trotted on.” [Later Paragraph ] ..
... “T”hree hours of sleep and he was so tired he knew he wouldn’t be up to giving a lecture that day, and besides, his notes had never been completed, so he wrote on the blackboard: "Write a 350-word essay answering the question, What is quality in thought and statement?" Then he sat by the radiator while they wrote and thought about quality himself. .. ” [Later Paragraph ] ..
... … Quality—you know what it is, yet you don’t know what it is. But that’s self-contradictory. But some things are better than others, that is, they have more quality. But when you try to say what the quality is, apart from the things that have it, it all goes poof! There’s nothing to talk about. But if you can’t say what Quality is, how do you know what it is, or how do you know that it even exists? If no one knows what it is, then for all practical purposes it doesn’t exist at all. But for all practical purposes it really does exist. What else are the grades based on? Why else would people pay fortunes for some things and throw others in the trash pile? Obviously some things are better than others—but what’s the "betterness"? -- So round and round you go, spinning mental wheels and nowhere finding anyplace to get traction. What the hell is Quality? What is it? “ END ZMM Chapter 15 & End ZMM Part II.

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The Photos For ZMM Part III Continues In The Next Album.
….The Next Album is where you will find Photos for ZMM Part III, where you will see 303 photos illustrating => How the ZMM Narrator and Chris leave Bozeman Montana, and continue their journey into Idaho and Oregon.
Click Here, And AFTER This Page of 4 SubAlbums Comes Up =>Click On THIRD Album = ZMM Part III,
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